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Publish Gachapon Drop Rates

BuffalosBuffalos
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This has been something I've seen thrown around the Discord a bit, but kinda curious on thoughts. Also this is how stuff is done so here we go

As you may or may not know, some online gaming companies are releasing the general drop rates for items within their paid loot boxes/gacha/whatever by choice or by law. The typical method seems to be the company assigns a grade to each reward item, and they then give a general percentage of each box generating an item from one of these grade pools. From my understanding the Korean version of Mabi does this, however NA currently does not.

So my suggestion is that NA starts publishing similar drop rates on their gacha pages for the benefit of potential buyers. If I'm going to gamble on something I'm spending actual money on, I feel like I should know what my general chances are directly from the source rather than baseless speculation. I have a feeling that such a change would have to be done on a Nexon-scale rather than just one game, but it's worth a shot.

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  1. Should Nexon publish drop rates?68 votes
    1. RELEASE THE NUMBERS
       96% (65 votes)
    2. No
       4% (3 votes)

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  • HardmuscleHardmuscle
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    As much as I would love to see this (and as much as I feel it should have been made available from the start --- 10+ years ago)... it's a lot like wishing for the Djinn to turn over all of their secrets (be careful what you wish for). :)
  • DarkConductorDarkConductor
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    Given mabi rng, I would like for them to post numbers; however, I doubt they would post probability numbers here because it would scare away people who are considering of buying the gacha.
  • BuffalosBuffalos
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    Apparently this stuff works well enough in Korea, so perhaps it'd be time for Nexon NA to tailor our drop tables before releasing a gacha?
    The way I see it is if someone is entirely deterred from buying any gacha when given a drop rate table, they were probably going to spend far too much on it to begin with.
  • EllisyaEllisya
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    I know KR gacha drop rate is way lower than ours but still want to know drop rate for our version as well. :3c
  • BuffalosBuffalos
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    I'd kinda like to know why people would be opposed to this. Is it because you're afraid no one will ever buy gacha? Or something else?
  • ArjuneArjune
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    After seeing how stupidly rare the black bag coupon is and seeing it sell for 50m then yes.... I'd like that. I really regret wasting 30k nx this time around and now I can't get the pet gacha when it comes
  • RaishiiRaishii
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    I'd be all for it. Dunno why someone would be opposed to more transparency.
  • HardmuscleHardmuscle
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    edited September 17, 2017
    Raishii wrote: »
    Dunno why someone would be opposed to more transparency.
    It depends on who it is. For example: I'm sure there's something you don't want me to know. Think about it. ~ Am I wrong? If you were them (the company), would you want this? Forget about needs and what is or isn't expected of anyone and just focus on the reality of the question. Would you want someone (or everyone) to know all of your secrets? What if these secrets threatened your very existence?
  • EraleaEralea
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    The fact that a law had to be written to force KR and CN games into publishing them is a huge hint that no company is gonna do it voluntarily lol.

    If anything, US laws are so protective of corporations that the opposite is more likely to happen.
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  • BuffalosBuffalos
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    Hardmuscle wrote: »
    It depends on who it is. For example: I'm sure there's something you don't want me to know. Think about it. ~ Am I wrong? If you were them (the company), would you want this? Forget about needs and what is or isn't expected of anyone and just focus on the reality of the question. Would you want someone (or everyone) to know all of your secrets? What if these secrets threatened your very existence?

    Obligatory "you don't need to read the drop table" post.
    Eralea wrote: »
    The fact that a law had to be written to force KR and CN games into publishing them is a huge hint that no company is gonna do it voluntarily lol.

    I don't think the laws came about because of shady business, but more out of making online gambling be put under the same legal watch as real-life gambling.
  • HardmuscleHardmuscle
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    Buffalos wrote: »
    Hardmuscle wrote: »
    It depends on who it is. For example: I'm sure there's something you don't want me to know. Think about it. ~ Am I wrong? If you were them (the company), would you want this? Forget about needs and what is or isn't expected of anyone and just focus on the reality of the question. Would you want someone (or everyone) to know all of your secrets? What if these secrets threatened your very existence?

    Obligatory "you don't need to read the drop table" post.
    Eralea wrote: »
    The fact that a law had to be written to force KR and CN games into publishing them is a huge hint that no company is gonna do it voluntarily lol.

    I don't think the laws came about because of shady business, but more out of making online gambling be put under the same legal watch as real-life gambling.
    What if, after you read it, you learn you needed to read it a decade ago? I'm betting most would split, a gasket. :trollface:

  • BuffalosBuffalos
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    Hardmuscle wrote: »
    What if, after you read it, you learn you needed to read it a decade ago? I'm betting most would split, a gasket. :trollface:

    You can't fix the past, but if it'll keep them from throwing every dollar they own at something digital that would be a (mostly) positive change.
  • HardmuscleHardmuscle
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    edited September 18, 2017
    Buffalos wrote: »
    You can't fix the past, but if it'll keep them from throwing every dollar they own at something digital that would be a (mostly) positive change.
    If I were Nexon, I would plead the 5th Amendment on this and nonchalantly release an "all new" Gachapon with visible rates. :trollface:
  • SebastianSebastian
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    edited September 18, 2017
    Anyone who votes no is either watercat or dumb.

    Rates could help others who may or may not gach frequently better decide if their $15 dollars is worth spending to get either gems or an actual item of interest. Honestly see no reason to not have it other than to mislead buyers.
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  • HardmuscleHardmuscle
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    edited September 19, 2017
    Sebastian wrote: »
    Anyone who votes no is either watercat or dumb.

    Rates could help others who may or may not gach frequently better decide if their $15 dollars is worth spending to get either gems or an actual item of interest. Honestly see no reason to not have it other than to mislead buyers.
    It's fair to ask them to release numbers on an "all new" gachapon, but it's not equally fair to ask for a release against something you've already purchased (especially if said information is incriminating). The latter would only work if there was a law requiring them to do so and/or if said rates were not 'incriminating' (which for some reason I highly doubt is //or would end up being// the case). I still voted yes. lol.

  • SebastianSebastian
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    Hardmuscle wrote: »
    Sebastian wrote: »
    Anyone who votes no is either watercat or dumb.

    Rates could help others who may or may not gach frequently better decide if their $15 dollars is worth spending to get either gems or an actual item of interest. Honestly see no reason to not have it other than to mislead buyers.
    It's fair to ask them to release numbers on an "all new" gachapon, but it's not equally fair to ask for a release against something you've already purchased (especially if said information is incriminating). The latter would only work if there was a law requiring them to do so and/or if said rates were not 'incriminating' (which for some reason I highly doubt is //or would end up being// the case). I still voted yes. lol.

    1. I don't know where releasing rates for already published Gachapon sales came in. Kindly direct me to where if it was mentioned.
    2. Laws are just rules with more strict repercussions. A lack of sales would honestly do the trick. People don't want trash for their cash. Unfortunately, I don't see the whales participating in this "rebellion" of gachapon any time soon.
    Sherri
  • HardmuscleHardmuscle
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    Sebastian wrote: »
    Hardmuscle wrote: »
    Sebastian wrote: »
    Anyone who votes no is either watercat or dumb.

    Rates could help others who may or may not gach frequently better decide if their $15 dollars is worth spending to get either gems or an actual item of interest. Honestly see no reason to not have it other than to mislead buyers.
    It's fair to ask them to release numbers on an "all new" gachapon, but it's not equally fair to ask for a release against something you've already purchased (especially if said information is incriminating). The latter would only work if there was a law requiring them to do so and/or if said rates were not 'incriminating' (which for some reason I highly doubt is //or would end up being// the case). I still voted yes. lol.
    1. I don't know where releasing rates for already published Gachapon sales came in. Kindly direct me to where if it was mentioned.
    2. Laws are just rules with more strict repercussions. A lack of sales would honestly do the trick. People don't want trash for their cash. Unfortunately, I don't see the whales participating in this "rebellion" of gachapon any time soon.
    I could ask you the opposite. Did I imply anything contradictory? Where was anything said to make the topic exclusive to "newly released Gachapon", prior to my hinting it might be wise for them to choose that alternative, should they decide to release such rates to begin with? :unamused:
  • SebastianSebastian
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    Hardmuscle wrote: »
    Sebastian wrote: »
    Hardmuscle wrote: »
    Sebastian wrote: »
    Anyone who votes no is either watercat or dumb.

    Rates could help others who may or may not gach frequently better decide if their $15 dollars is worth spending to get either gems or an actual item of interest. Honestly see no reason to not have it other than to mislead buyers.
    It's fair to ask them to release numbers on an "all new" gachapon, but it's not equally fair to ask for a release against something you've already purchased (especially if said information is incriminating). The latter would only work if there was a law requiring them to do so and/or if said rates were not 'incriminating' (which for some reason I highly doubt is //or would end up being// the case). I still voted yes. lol.
    1. I don't know where releasing rates for already published Gachapon sales came in. Kindly direct me to where if it was mentioned.
    2. Laws are just rules with more strict repercussions. A lack of sales would honestly do the trick. People don't want trash for their cash. Unfortunately, I don't see the whales participating in this "rebellion" of gachapon any time soon.
    I could ask you the opposite. Did I imply anything contradictory? Where was anything said to make the topic exclusive to "newly released Gachapon", prior to my hinting it might be wise for them to choose that alternative, should they decide to release such rates to begin with? :unamused:

    You're not worth the effort.
  • HardmuscleHardmuscle
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    Sebastian wrote: »
    Hardmuscle wrote: »
    Sebastian wrote: »
    Hardmuscle wrote: »
    Sebastian wrote: »
    Anyone who votes no is either watercat or dumb.

    Rates could help others who may or may not gach frequently better decide if their $15 dollars is worth spending to get either gems or an actual item of interest. Honestly see no reason to not have it other than to mislead buyers.
    It's fair to ask them to release numbers on an "all new" gachapon, but it's not equally fair to ask for a release against something you've already purchased (especially if said information is incriminating). The latter would only work if there was a law requiring them to do so and/or if said rates were not 'incriminating' (which for some reason I highly doubt is //or would end up being// the case). I still voted yes. lol.
    1. I don't know where releasing rates for already published Gachapon sales came in. Kindly direct me to where if it was mentioned.
    2. Laws are just rules with more strict repercussions. A lack of sales would honestly do the trick. People don't want trash for their cash. Unfortunately, I don't see the whales participating in this "rebellion" of gachapon any time soon.
    I could ask you the opposite. Did I imply anything contradictory? Where was anything said to make the topic exclusive to "newly released Gachapon", prior to my hinting it might be wise for them to choose that alternative, should they decide to release such rates to begin with? :unamused:
    You're not worth the effort.
    Did you take the effort to read this thread before you attacked me? Did your bridge burn down, Sebastian? :unamused:
  • BuffalosBuffalos
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    edited September 19, 2017
    Hi. Please don't lock this thread.
    @Hardmuscle Honestly why did you bring that up at all? If your intent was to get people to ask you why you brought it up, you shouldn't have.
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