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Dorcha crystals

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  • ShouKShouK
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    Shifty wrote: »
    MashiMoto wrote: »
    MashiMoto wrote: »
    Anyone know if using the crystals will cause them not to spawn for you anymore? I'm trying to run Coil for a friend. I had gotten it on my first try but after that. Been having no luck. Or was that just pure luck i got it on the first run?

    That's what I'm trying to find out. Got the 5th one in my 3rd Math dung. Did some more after that, did not get another.
    So here I am wondering if I'm just not seeing them cuz they are rare or because I simply cannot get them anymore.
    Bump

    You should be able to get them after you used. I ran one and got one, used it and a friend said he needed 3 for his alts and just ran another 3 to get him those. I also did the same for the 5th, Got one used it ran afew and got another
    Can you still get them after you have obtained spinning slasher? I caved in and bought the 2nd one but still would like to farm for others to cover the gold I spent for the 2nd..
  • MarithMarith
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    ShouK wrote: »
    Can you still get them after you have obtained spinning slasher? I caved in and bought the 2nd one but still would like to farm for others to cover the gold I spent for the 2nd..

    I haven't obtained any duplicate crystals since I obtained spinning slash, but you can still buy the 4th from fleta, so it seems possible.
    MashiMoto
  • GretaGreta
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    Ran Peaca Basic for Banshee sketch and got my 5th crystal on second opened dead end chest. Well, less work for me later.
    pawcalypse
  • HellkaizerHellkaizer
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    Greta wrote: »
    Ran Peaca Basic for Banshee sketch and got my 5th crystal on second opened dead end chest. Well, less work for me later.

    Same here. But I have 4 pets that ran out of time, and have killed 137 ancients so far and no 2nd.
  • MarithMarith
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    I've found another 5th crystal well after finishing the quest and getting the skill. So that's confirmed.
    MashiMoto
  • GretaGreta
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    Hellkaizer wrote: »
    Greta wrote: »
    Ran Peaca Basic for Banshee sketch and got my 5th crystal on second opened dead end chest. Well, less work for me later.

    Same here. But I have 4 pets that ran out of time, and have killed 137 ancients so far and no 2nd.

    Been running and trying to find ANY Ancients at all. Found few, but still empty handed...
    ShouK
  • GretaGreta
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    edited December 17, 2017
    Oh... My... GOD...

    Was running around, trying to find any Ancient monsters and guess what? I FIND THIS!

    PqTVgF8.png

    But WAIT!

    3zK7dVz.png

    I can't pick it up! :( I hate my life...

    It's in ch5 Alexina near Qilla Base Camp :') Who left this behind!?
  • HellkaizerHellkaizer
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    Greta wrote: »
    Oh... My... GOD...

    Was running around, trying to find any Ancient monsters and guess what? I FIND THIS!

    PqTVgF8.png

    But WAIT!

    3zK7dVz.png

    I can't pick it up! :( I hate my life...

    It's in ch5 Alexina near Qilla Base Camp :') Who left this behind!?

    That physically pains me
    GretapawcalypseBlissfulkillZeoKerriganne
  • Sphyra21Sphyra21
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    Woot! Got the second dorcha crystal (FINALLY FREAKIN'LY!!!)
    I just stayed on till I knew there'd be less players and channel hopped till I found fertile ancient huntin' grounds. Finally dropped from a Mutant Carnivorous Plant
    .....
    that thing is weakest to me for cryin' in a bucket! Here I was targetin' mobs that I knew would be stronger than me if I put of some -cp gear and it drops from that bloody plant.....

    Welp onto the 5th dorcha crystal, I hope this 1 doesn't take as long -.-'
  • MarithMarith
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    I got my second from a young big-eared aardvark ancient right about the time I was driven to the crest of giving up. That second crystal left behind also hurts me.
  • MediaKleptoMediaKlepto
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    Greta wrote: »
    Oh... My... GOD...

    Was running around, trying to find any Ancient monsters and guess what? I FIND THIS!

    PqTVgF8.png

    But WAIT!

    3zK7dVz.png

    I can't pick it up! :( I hate my life...

    It's in ch5 Alexina near Qilla Base Camp :') Who left this behind!?

    This happened on ch6 Mari yesterday as well; a guildmate flew past someone struggling to kill hornets and pointed it out to them only to be told it wasn't theirs and they couldn't take it. :c

    I'm still missing the 1st and 2nd crystals, my husband is missing 5, and 2 is the only one another guildmate has.

    I'm completely lacking abyss passes, but my husband ran it three or four times so far and got his on his second run.
    I've killed I don't know how many ancients and come up empty, he killed about 60 and got a single one, guildmate got it in a single run of Lords with randoms.
    I got my 3rd on my first cast then spent a further 6 hours fishing without seeing another, my husband fished for 3 hours and got 3 of them. e_e
    I got my 5th out of the last deadend while running Peaca basic for the banshee sketch after doing some Barri runs, and my husband was with me and did some of his own Barri and Math runs without finding one.
    I managed to get my 6th on my third kill (using -CP gear), then killed I don't even know how many more hornets to try and help friends with no luck. My husband killed a fair few though not too terribly many and got his single one.

    I would love to help friends out since I know for a fact that some them can't handle or don't have time to grind the content, but RNG is being such a cruel mistress...
  • Daggerpaw12Daggerpaw12
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    Hellkaizer wrote: »
    Yvonnee wrote: »
    great, so now theyre even putting skills behind giant RNG walls.
    thanks for the info though

    This is probably the dumbest complaint I've seen yet. A lot of skills are like this, and also it's an mmo? What did you expect?

    only 2 of the crystals have unacceptable grind walls. The phantasm crystal, which requires 750k per attempt (to make the pass, assuming you didn't pay for the mangled pass as well) and requires players with a lot of experience and high level reforged gear to run. The Lord mission crystal is also not good design for this game, since it's not a grind wall, it's a wait wall, due to Lord missions being limited to 3/day. For a skill that's critical to its respective talent, that's not good design. I'd rather it be farmable with a low rate than farmable with a low rate and you can only do it 3 times a day.

    Even pre-renovation magic was better than those two crystals, and arrow revolver made sense at the time it was released since it was practically the best skill in the game, although AR page drop rate was due for renovation long before it got one.

    The crystals will probably all be dirt cheap in a month, maybe not the phantasm one, but we're still hurting as of now.
  • EllisyaEllisya
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    Hellkaizer wrote: »
    Yvonnee wrote: »
    great, so now theyre even putting skills behind giant RNG walls.
    thanks for the info though

    This is probably the dumbest complaint I've seen yet. A lot of skills are like this, and also it's an mmo? What did you expect?

    only 2 of the crystals have unacceptable grind walls. The phantasm crystal, which requires 750k per attempt (to make the pass, assuming you didn't pay for the mangled pass as well) and requires players with a lot of experience and high level reforged gear to run. The Lord mission crystal is also not good design for this game, since it's not a grind wall, it's a wait wall, due to Lord missions being limited to 3/day. For a skill that's critical to its respective talent, that's not good design. I'd rather it be farmable with a low rate than farmable with a low rate and you can only do it 3 times a day.

    Even pre-renovation magic was better than those two crystals, and arrow revolver made sense at the time it was released since it was practically the best skill in the game, although AR page drop rate was due for renovation long before it got one.

    The crystals will probably all be dirt cheap in a month, maybe not the phantasm one, but we're still hurting as of now.

    It's not just from Lord and Phant....

  • PolicromaPolicroma
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    edited December 18, 2017

    only 2 of the crystals have unacceptable grind walls. The phantasm crystal, which requires 750k per attempt (to make the pass, assuming you didn't pay for the mangled pass as well) and requires players with a lot of experience and high level reforged gear to run. The Lord mission crystal is also not good design for this game, since it's not a grind wall, it's a wait wall, due to Lord missions being limited to 3/day. For a skill that's critical to its respective talent, that's not good design. I'd rather it be farmable with a low rate than farmable with a low rate and you can only do it 3 times a day.

    So crystal #2 can be found by hunting ancients. And no, you don't have to have noob CP to do it this way. I hunted ancients in Hilwen mine floor 3. There's usually a few emerald bison, shriekers, or golems with an ancient tag. I changed channels when there were no ancients left and cycled through.

    I will be the first to admit that it's hard to find a good time online when there's nobody else hunting these right now. But it's still doable if you keep at it.

    Crystal #3 can be obtained by fishing in Cobh. And I will admit the drop rate on this is low, but it's not rosemary patterns low. Left myself fishing all day, didn't get anything. Left myself fishing and went to bed...got two.
  • GretaGreta
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    edited December 18, 2017
    Policroma wrote: »
    Crystal #3 can be obtained by fishing in Cobh. And I will admit the drop rate on this is low, but it's not rosemary patterns low. Left myself fishing all day, didn't get anything. Left myself fishing and went to bed...got two.

    I fished for about 1 hour or so and found my 3rd crystal. Some few forum users as well claimed to get theirs pretty fast too. It's fairly easy if you have r1 fishing and having any increased auto fishing success rate 2nd title. You never fail to catch anything with this combo.
  • GretaGreta
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    Finally got my 2nd crystal after struggling to find any Ancients. Decided to visit Karu forest before daily resets and after like ~10 Ancient kills i got my drop from Manchurian White Bear lol. Now the question is how long i will need to kill Polar Hornets for the 6th one...
  • XiokunXiokun
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    6th crystal only took a few minutes, the 3rd one was over night, the 4th one bought from fleta... but the 5th is near impossible. 12+ hours of dungeoning in several different dungeons and no crystal. I've done a couple dozen ancients and no crystal there either.

    Can't you guys just mail me one? Please? :'( No one is even selling it anymore over here.
  • GretaGreta
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    Xiokun wrote: »
    6th crystal only took a few minutes, the 3rd one was over night, the 4th one bought from fleta... but the 5th is near impossible. 12+ hours of dungeoning in several different dungeons and no crystal. I've done a couple dozen ancients and no crystal there either.

    Can't you guys just mail me one? Please? :'( No one is even selling it anymore over here.

    Wow... I was killing hornets for hour or so and nothing, yet i ran Peaca Basic for Banshee sketch and got 5th crystal on second dead end chest lol. Our luck is switched :D
  • KukriKukri
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    Ellisya wrote: »
    1st - Coil Abyss chest
    2nd - Ancient Mob or Succubus Fiend
    3rd - Cobh Fishing or Cavern Lord chest
    4th - Fleta Sells for 50k on ETC tab
    5th - Uladh Dungeon deadend chest
    6th - Silva Forest Hornets

    All these are RNG drop have kinda low rate, but not extremely low, except 4th that Fleta sells.
    Like one of my friend got 1st Crystal from first run, I did not get for 4th runs.

    Also, consider your CP as well if you are doing mob hunt for drop.... there's gonna be many people at Silva Forest now.

    +It's kinda funny people saying "Why would you share info with others" on discord.. It is because I'm not blind at gold/money and selfish. I know it will be really harder to obtain something like 6th crystal and saying 'you could post it after some people like who have high CP get those first'... you know that's called 'being selfish'. Let newbies make some money I guess who have lower CP for better drop rate. I don't really care. I can work on other skills and event meanwhile :3c

    curious question, for fishing do you need any special bait? and as for the deadend did you notice it dropping from any dungeon in particular easier than others. I ask you and any who have been going after number 5.
  • EllisyaEllisya
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    Kukri wrote: »
    curious question, for fishing do you need any special bait? and as for the deadend did you notice it dropping from any dungeon in particular easier than others. I ask you and any who have been going after number 5.

    1. No need special bait.
    2. So far I've found them from Peaca Basic, Rundal Adv Hardmode. (Those two were only one I ran though)