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nerf the advancement tests!

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  • BuffalosBuffalos
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    Hardmuscle wrote: »
    GMNkeona ~ Look at these people being mad at me for offering them a solution to combat lag. Do you see denial of lag here, or simple replies offering information to enable these people to play the game in their painful situation?
    Report Post. It's a button. Use it instead of calling out GM staff to do what the VFMs do.
    On another note, you came into this thread in pretty much the exact same mindset as the last one where you brought this up. Learn from past mistakes from all parties there and maybe you wouldn't be needing to call for help like that.
    TheNyanCat wrote: »
    The tests were made and tested with nearly no lag in mind because Kr is much smaller than the Us, thus the test is a bit more difficult for us since we basically copy/paste content from Kr.
    This is the reality of the situation. This is a South Korean made game built around South Korean grade internet, and this one in particular is heavily delay-dependent when it comes to the 'challenging' stuff. You'll just need to learn how to work around it, or opt out of content entirely until someone over there decides to listen to their international audience.
  • HardmuscleHardmuscle
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    edited February 12, 2018
    @Buffalos - I already spoke with Katherz about this and was told it would be looked at on Monday (when they return to work), this and the episode ShouK tried to cause by answering a post made to me in another thread. I also already reported it to the so-called VFM we apparently don't have or is off for the weekend. (You are not one so why are you addressing me?) If you'd like to go down with it, be my guest. Otherwise, it would be best for you to buy a new calendar and to mind your own business. The reply being argued about in this thread is the farthest thing from a denial of lag anyone can possibly get, and if Liyeta's problem had already been solved they would not have come here to moan about it again. Trolling me doesn't change what happened in this thread nor the clarity of it.

    The reality of the situation is those people who live in other countries need to stop complaining about it. This is NA not EU - lag is imminent.

  • IyasenuIyasenu
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    Hardmuscle wrote: »
    @Buffalos - I already spoke with Katherz about this and was told it would be looked on Monday (I also already reported it to the so-called VFM we apparently don't have or is off for the weekend too. You are not one so why are you addressing me?). If you'd like to go down with it, be my guest. Otherwise, it would be best for you to buy a new calendar and to mind your own business. The reply being argued about in this thread is the farthest thing from a denial of lag anyone can possibly get, and if Liyeta's problem had already been solved they would not have come here to moan about it again. Trolling me doesn't change what happened in this thread nor the clarity of it.

    The reality of the situation is those people who live in other counties need to stop complaining about it. This is NA not EU - lag is imminent.

    That's not considerate.

    If the tests were made more lenient, then higher ping due to the increased distance would be less of an issue.

    You probably couldn't make everyone happy, but it would at least be better for more.
    And better than nothing changing.
    Buffalos
  • HardmuscleHardmuscle
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    edited February 11, 2018
    Iyasenu wrote: »
    Hardmuscle wrote: »
    @Buffalos - I already spoke with Katherz about this and was told it would be looked on Monday (I also already reported it to the so-called VFM we apparently don't have or is off for the weekend too. You are not one so why are you addressing me?). If you'd like to go down with it, be my guest. Otherwise, it would be best for you to buy a new calendar and to mind your own business. The reply being argued about in this thread is the farthest thing from a denial of lag anyone can possibly get, and if Liyeta's problem had already been solved they would not have come here to moan about it again. Trolling me doesn't change what happened in this thread nor the clarity of it.

    The reality of the situation is those people who live in other counties need to stop complaining about it. This is NA not EU - lag is imminent.

    That's not considerate.

    If the tests were made more lenient, then higher ping due to the increased distance would be less of an issue.

    You probably couldn't make everyone happy, but it would at least be better for more.
    And better than nothing changing.
    Enough already. The post I made with a solution for lag doesn't deserve the grief that became of it. Considerate? Inconsiderate is telling me I don't know what lag is and then flogging me with non-stop grief for aiding to combat it. Move to page 1 and then drop the subject (I not only provided a solution; I provided an explanation of that solution and a wealthy source).

    http://forums.mabinogi.nexon.net/discussion/comment/82058/#Comment_82058


  • TheOthicTheOthic
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    edited February 12, 2018
    Iyasenu wrote: »
    Hardmuscle wrote: »
    @Buffalos - I already spoke with Katherz about this and was told it would be looked on Monday (I also already reported it to the so-called VFM we apparently don't have or is off for the weekend too. You are not one so why are you addressing me?). If you'd like to go down with it, be my guest. Otherwise, it would be best for you to buy a new calendar and to mind your own business. The reply being argued about in this thread is the farthest thing from a denial of lag anyone can possibly get, and if Liyeta's problem had already been solved they would not have come here to moan about it again. Trolling me doesn't change what happened in this thread nor the clarity of it.

    The reality of the situation is those people who live in other counties need to stop complaining about it. This is NA not EU - lag is imminent.

    That's not considerate.

    If the tests were made more lenient, then higher ping due to the increased distance would be less of an issue.

    You probably couldn't make everyone happy, but it would at least be better for more.
    And better than nothing changing.

    inconsiderate or not, it doesn't matter, now I think @Buffalos was mentioning NA but I think same logic can be applied to anyone getting lag because of their location.
    Buffalos wrote: »
    This is the reality of the situation. This is a South Korean made game built around South Korean grade internet, and this one in particular is heavily delay-dependent when it comes to the 'challenging' stuff. You'll just need to learn how to work around it, or opt out of content entirely until someone over there decides to listen to their international audience.
    now if you've still taken every step possible to reduce lag and still no dice and you live in a bad location, well you are just SOL. Yeah it sucks and its an all around terrible situation but theres not much you can do except voice your frustration but im sure people have already been doing that since dan revamp update, so it may or not may not happen, but I would guess NA nexon would put its NA customers first and well thats another can of worms entirely.

    Point is theres probably not much you can do it except try to somehow overcome the lag or just deal with it until change comes, if it happens.

    HardmuscleBuffalos
  • KagaKaga
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    Hardmuscle wrote: »

    The reality of the situation is those people who live in other counties need to stop complaining about it. This is NA not EU - lag is imminent.

    Obviously we know that. We didn't ask for lagless connection like NA players. All we want is some nerf (maybe a minute extra, or more points achievable)

    Also saying that we need to stop complaining is complete bs. Nexon welcomed EU/AU players. It's not like we are region locked and we are forcing ourself thru that to play this game.
    Neyna
  • HardmuscleHardmuscle
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    edited February 12, 2018
    @Kaga
    Kaga wrote: »
    Hardmuscle wrote: »

    The reality of the situation is those people who live in other counties need to stop complaining about it. This is NA not EU - lag is imminent.

    Obviously we know that. We didn't ask for lagless connection like NA players. All we want is some nerf (maybe a minute extra, or more points achievable)

    Also saying that we need to stop complaining is complete bs. Nexon welcomed EU/AU players. It's not like we are region locked and we are forcing ourself thru that to play this game.
    Where did I say I was totally against a Dan nerf? Where did I say lag doesn't exist? Can you find those two for me? Complaining sensibly is one thing. Complaining nonsensically is another thing. It's no one's fault you're in EU (not even your own) and no matter how you word it ... it never will be their fault (or yours). The solution post I made in this thread is the best you're going to find short of a server upgrade. I didn't make that post because I deny the existence of lag, don't know what lag is, or was born yesterday morning in a pile of hay. Lag is imminent. (even for me in Wisconsin [USA]; My connection is slower than 82% of the US population). ~ I would have directly linked it, but that's forbidden here.

  • TheOthicTheOthic
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    Kaga wrote: »
    Hardmuscle wrote: »

    The reality of the situation is those people who live in other counties need to stop complaining about it. This is NA not EU - lag is imminent.

    Obviously we know that. We didn't ask for lagless connection like NA players. All we want is some nerf (maybe a minute extra, or more points achievable)

    Also saying that we need to stop complaining is complete bs. Nexon welcomed EU/AU players. It's not like we are region locked and we are forcing ourself thru that to play this game.

    I'm not saying you should stop complaining but what I am saying its the only thing you can do, hell I think you guys are pretty dedicated playing through the lag, I would of quit a long time ago. But the only thing you can do is try to overcome the lag ( and yes complaining would probably count as doing something I suppose) or sit tight until something is done. But still In My Opinion ( im not saying this is fact ) mostly likely this situation is out of our control
    Hardmuscle
  • KagaKaga
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    edited February 12, 2018
    Hardmuscle wrote: »
    @Kaga
    Kaga wrote: »
    Hardmuscle wrote: »

    The reality of the situation is those people who live in other counties need to stop complaining about it. This is NA not EU - lag is imminent.

    Obviously we know that. We didn't ask for lagless connection like NA players. All we want is some nerf (maybe a minute extra, or more points achievable)

    Also saying that we need to stop complaining is complete bs. Nexon welcomed EU/AU players. It's not like we are region locked and we are forcing ourself thru that to play this game.
    Where did I say I was totally against a Dan nerf? Where did I say lag doesn't exist? Can you find those for me? Complaining sensibly is one thing. Complaining nonsensically is another thing. It's no one's fault you're in EU (not even your own) and no matter how you word it ... it never will be their fault (or yours). The solution post I made in this thread is the best you're going to find short of a server upgrade. I didn't make that post because I deny the existence of lag, don't know what lag is, or was born yesterday morning in a pile of hay. Lag is imminent. (even for me in Wisconsin [USA]; My connection is slower than 82% of the US population).

    Where did I say you were totally against a Dan nerf? or that you said lag doesn't exist? can you find those for me?
    Obviously I'm not blaming nexon for this, since it was bound to happen anyways (not every content will run smooth for everyone)
    All I said was that it would be nice if nexon would consider some type of nerf, like giving us other ways to achieve more points or give us more time in those tests.

    @TheOthic
    I luckily overcame a bit of the issue since I am almost done with most dans even though I have 220+ ping. But the ones that I have left are nearly impossible because of the lag. And this isn't just about me but every other EU/AU player who still has a long way to go with dans, which is why it would be great if nexon would consider to do something about this for their welcomed overseas players.
    NeynaTheOthicHardmuscle
  • HardmuscleHardmuscle
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    edited February 12, 2018
    Kaga wrote: »
    Obviously I'm not blaming nexon for this, since it was bound to happen anyways (not every content will run smooth for everyone)
    All I said was that it would be nice if nexon would consider some type of nerf, like giving us other ways to achieve more points or give us more time in those tests.

    @TheOthic
    I luckily overcame a bit of the issue since I am almost done with most dans even though I have 220 ping with VPN. But the ones that I have left are nearly impossible because of the lag. And this isn't just about me but about every other EU/AU player who still has a long way to go with dans, which is why it would be great if nexon would consider to do something about this for their welcomed overseas players.
    I understand what you said and the impression you're under; regarding my presence in this thread. I have two working eyes and I can read. How do you know a nerf will solve the problem? What if the problem persists? Then what? Ignoring solutions up until a better solution comes along doesn't make the person offering them an idiot, or stupid, and it doesn't mean they don't know what they're talking about (such as when someone in EU doesn't understand why Prime Time over there is the opposite over here in the states -- no names mentioned).

    Note: You misquoted some of your last post. You've made it appear as though some of my reply was said by you. I fixed that above.
  • NeynaNeyna
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    edited February 12, 2018
    Kaga wrote: »
    All we want is some nerf (maybe a minute extra, or more points achievable.

    ^^^
    That would help a lot for people struggling with RNG and/or lag (like Healing )
    Kaga
  • KagaKaga
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    edited February 12, 2018
    Hardmuscle wrote: »
    I understand what you said and the impression you're under; regarding my presence in this thread. I have two working eyes and I can read. How do you know a nerf will solve the problem? What if the problem persists? Then what? Ignoring solutions up until a better solution comes along doesn't make the person offering them an idiot, or stupid, and it doesn't mean they don't know what they're talking about (such as when someone in EU doesn't understand why Prime Time over there is the opposite over here in the states -- no names mentioned).

    You could say that for every "solution" people have ever mentioned about everything if you're thinking that way.
    It would most likely solve the problem because as far as I know (from my own EU-lag experience) a minute/more points would definitely make it possible to pass these dans.
    Neyna
  • HardmuscleHardmuscle
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    edited February 12, 2018
    Kaga wrote: »
    Hardmuscle wrote: »
    I understand what you said and the impression you're under; regarding my presence in this thread. I have two working eyes and I can read. How do you know a nerf will solve the problem? What if the problem persists? Then what? Ignoring solutions up until a better solution comes along doesn't make the person offering them an idiot, or stupid, and it doesn't mean they don't know what they're talking about (such as when someone in EU doesn't understand why Prime Time over there is the opposite over here in the states -- no names mentioned).

    You could say that for every "solution" people have ever mentioned about everything if you're thinking that way.
    It would most likely solve the problem because as far as I know (from my own EU-lag experience) a minute/more points would definitely make it possible to pass these dans.
    I could say that... (that's very True)... and it still wouldn't make the person offering them an idiot. As people have tried for the last three pages to make. I have as much trouble with the Dan tests at 60 ping as you folks have at 600 to 2100 ping... ~ Figure that one out ..~ The confusion when people pass judgement of me (like a certain person [not you] said earlier ... oh the delicious irony) is reading comprehension. When I say I don't lag as bad or nowhere near as bad as other people; that doesn't mean I don't lag .. or don't know what it is... or don't have any idea of what to do about it now (as opposed to later when some miracle occurs).

  • KagaKaga
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    Hardmuscle wrote: »
    I could say that... that's very True... and it still wouldn't make the person offering them an idiot. As people have tried for the last three pages to do. I have as much trouble with the Dan tests at 60 ping as you folks have at 600 to 2100 ping... ~ Figure that one out ..~

    ...Obviously you don't, even if you think you do.
    But If you really are having issues at 60 ping then I think you need to revisit your skills with these dan tests.
    The more ping the worse it is, and most EU players have over 200. As for AU, don't let me even start.
    Neyna
  • HardmuscleHardmuscle
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    edited February 12, 2018
    Kaga wrote: »
    ...Obviously you don't, even if you think you do.
    But If you really are having issues at 60 ping then I think you need to revisit your skills with these dan tests.
    The more ping the worse it is, and most EU players have over 200. As for AU, don't let me even start.
    There you are passing the same judgement you claim I pass of you. ~ I hope your lag doubles now. :unamused:

    I failed to mention whether or not I passed those tests.. and how....

  • KagaKaga
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    edited February 12, 2018
    Hardmuscle wrote: »
    Kaga wrote: »
    ...Obviously you don't, even if you think you do.
    But If you really are having issues at 60 ping then I think you need to revisit your skills with these dan tests.
    The more ping the worse it is, and most EU players have over 200. As for AU, don't let me even start.
    There you are passing the same judgement you claim I pass of you. ~ I hope your lag doubles now. :unamused:

    It is the truth though, whether you like it or not..
    >The more ping you have, the worse these tests can get.
    >You have less ping than EU players
    >It should be easier for you than for us.

    If I had that 60 ping, you wouldn't even see me on this thread complaining.
    As for you hoping that my lag doubles, it wouldn't even matter if it did. I already lag so bad that I probably wouldn't even be able to tell the difference anymore.
    Neyna
  • HardmuscleHardmuscle
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    edited February 12, 2018
    Note: High Ping is not the only cause of lag.
    Kaga wrote: »
    Hardmuscle wrote: »
    Kaga wrote: »
    ...Obviously you don't, even if you think you do.
    But If you really are having issues at 60 ping then I think you need to revisit your skills with these dan tests.
    The more ping the worse it is, and most EU players have over 200. As for AU, don't let me even start.
    There you are passing the same judgement you claim I pass of you. ~ I hope your lag doubles now. :unamused:

    It is the truth though, whether you like it or not..
    >The more ping you have, the worse these tests can get.
    >You have less ping than EU players
    >It should be easier for you than for us.
    If I had that 60 ping, you wouldn't even see me on this thread complaining.
    I'm sure you (or someone) would be here to complain at 60 ping as well. ....
    Kaga wrote: »
    We didn't ask for lagless connection like NA players.
    We don't have lagless connections in the USA.

  • KagaKaga
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    Hardmuscle wrote: »

    I'm sure you (or someone) would be here to complain at 60 ping as well. ....

    We don't have lagless connections in the USA.

    Some do, some don't.
    But most important, ya'll lag less than us either way.

    Me complaining at 60 ping? I doubt it. I had 40 ping in EU and I felt lagless af.
    As for someone else; I already said what you had to re-visit.
    Neyna
  • HardmuscleHardmuscle
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    edited February 12, 2018
    Kaga wrote: »
    Hardmuscle wrote: »

    I'm sure you (or someone) would be here to complain at 60 ping as well. ....

    We don't have lagless connections in the USA.

    Some do, some don't.
    But most important, ya'll lag less than us either way.

    Me complaining at 60 ping? I doubt it. I had 40 ping in EU and I felt lagless af.
    As for someone else; I already said what you had to re-visit.
    I don't have to re-visit anything. I made adjustments on my own (instead of rage on the forum about it) and passed those tests long ago. That's what I meant about passing judgement (aka assuming). Like I said in my last post. High Ping is not the only cause of lag. ~ I will say this though. ... You won't ever eliminate that ping in the current situation, so you may well do what you can to continue living with it. ~ This debate is basically saying (implying,) this topic will arise in every piece of content relative to timing the player. ← Is that an incorrect assumption?


  • TotokeTotoke
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    Seeing plenty of arguing on this post. While I can't say that lag is the problem for me, I can understand why others would be frustrated. Perhaps instead of nerfing the test, maybe implement a 2nd method that's a bit more grinding but doable for people who can't complete the test due to lag. Just my thoughts in trying to find a solution....
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