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      <title>General Chat - Forums | Official Mabinogi Website</title>
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      <pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2026 03:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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        <title>Event Heads-Up!  7/15/21</title>
        <link>https://forums.mabinogi.nexon.net/discussion/24860/event-heads-up-7-15-21</link>
        <pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2021 00:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>General Chat</category>
        <dc:creator>Leinei</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[It's that time again, Milletians!  It's just events ending this week!<br />
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I hope everyone's been on top of their homework for the past three weeks, because with this Thursday's maintenance, The Exciting Summer Vacation in Erinn Event is coming to a close!  Hope everyone got their neat homestead prizes!  If you haven't gotten them, make sure to get those last quests in!<br />
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Exciting Summer Vacation in Erinn Event: <a href="https://mabinogi.nexon.net/news/67420/the-exciting-summer-vacation-in-erinn" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://mabinogi.nexon.net/news/67420/the-exciting-summer-vacation-in-erinn</a><br />
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The other event that's ending this week is the Doc Caravan Joe's Secret Method Class, make some potions and train those talents!  Which should be even easier since the Master Plan event is going on!<br />
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Doc Caravan Joe's Secret Method Class Event: <a href="https://mabinogi.nexon.net/news/67510/doc-caravan-joe-s-secret-method-class" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://mabinogi.nexon.net/news/67510/doc-caravan-joe-s-secret-method-class</a><br />
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That's all for now!  Happy Gaming, Everyone!]]>
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        <title>par king-crab</title>
        <link>https://forums.mabinogi.nexon.net/discussion/24800/par-king-crab</link>
        <pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2021 20:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>General Chat</category>
        <dc:creator>Valentina</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[Somebody fished a par-king crab? 200 b aits and nothing 20 perfect baits and nothing!!  I'M in Scatath beach what:s happenning?]]>
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        <title>Is this a mistake?</title>
        <link>https://forums.mabinogi.nexon.net/discussion/24850/is-this-a-mistake</link>
        <pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2021 16:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>General Chat</category>
        <dc:creator>ScurvyJones</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[My Brother has recently created a character and I told him he should rebirth to the Hero for Alchemy Professor J when he said those are available free. But for some reason he did not receive the shield and the Cylinder... is this a hiccup in his client or what?]]>
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        <title>a possible crossover?</title>
        <link>https://forums.mabinogi.nexon.net/discussion/24849/a-possible-crossover</link>
        <pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2021 18:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>General Chat</category>
        <dc:creator>noobodyzxz</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[saw this when I log-in after maintenance was excited for summer masterplan event and then got excited for this<br />
<img src="https://i.imgur.com/MItlYrm.png" alt="MItlYrm.png" /><br />
I did see this trailer for konosuba game before just didn't know it was a nexon game<br />
it seems like the combat in this game is a turn base party system kind of thing (it definitely has a name for it I simply dont have any idea what it is) which I'm not really a fan of but it seems to have a storyline which seems interesting (I wont mind mind minor changes I'm open minded enough to accept changes that some adaptations had to make due to their limitations or if those changes are good for the story itself)and the art style for the charaacters seems to lean more towards the light novels art style. (in other words I just want more of it and this is probably not the place to say that)<br />
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anyway we have experienced anime crossovers in the past and we also experienced crossover with other nexon games  and if others dont know it yet kemono friends was actually a mobile game by nexon that had an anime adaptation and was more popular as an anime which we had a crossover with last year. So an anime that had a game adaptation by nexon has a very high chance of getting a crossover for promotion purposes. I want konosuba crossover<br />
imagine having a title that would make ur meteor strikes look like megumin's explosion, a steal gesture, Nature's Beauty gesture, etc.]]>
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        <title>mabi punishes you for not investing in tankyness</title>
        <link>https://forums.mabinogi.nexon.net/discussion/24684/mabi-punishes-you-for-not-investing-in-tankyness</link>
        <pubDate>Thu, 13 May 2021 14:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>General Chat</category>
        <dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[Now i dont mean that you need to be focused on being very tanky, but that you need to atleast invest in some of it just to avoid dying when you cant keep enemies off you. I say this because even though im a 2 week old archer that has been grinding my butt off, i was doing outlaw hunting and ran into &quot;Scandalous&quot; Charlene, and i couldn't help but notice that no matter what i did, each time i knock her down she just teleports to my face and she can even do it twice while she's getting up.<br />
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So i felt like there was almost no ways around it, she was going to teleport in my face and smack my small amount of health off, i did nearly kill her (after a few naos) but it wasn't enough she got me lol, i was even using vision of ladeca too, but mabis animation cancels can have that work against my favor.]]>
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        <title>A question about the auction house.</title>
        <link>https://forums.mabinogi.nexon.net/discussion/24845/a-question-about-the-auction-house</link>
        <pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2021 16:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>General Chat</category>
        <dc:creator>Helsa</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[Our accounts have a limit of 300 entities: characters, pets, and partners, but only 200 can be characters.  The present bank gold storage rules are 20M gold for the first 10 characters then 10M for each subsequent character.  This makes a maximum possible bank gold storage limit of:<br />
20Mgold/character x 20character + (200-10)character x 10Mgold/character = 400Mgold + 1900Mgold = 2300Mgold = 2.3Ggold.<br />
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So how do you buy or collect on items listed for more than that in the Auction House?]]>
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        <title>Master plan Rebirth</title>
        <link>https://forums.mabinogi.nexon.net/discussion/24843/master-plan-rebirth</link>
        <pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2021 09:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>General Chat</category>
        <dc:creator>Kimo159</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[Is the rebirth daily or not? I think it is not daily, but how comes? There is double AP and combat exp, it will be useless if rebirth is not daily<br />
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Or i got misunderstand? Hope Mabinogi make it daily, at least in AP &amp; combat double week]]>
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        <title>Banned?</title>
        <link>https://forums.mabinogi.nexon.net/discussion/24848/banned</link>
        <pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2021 01:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>General Chat</category>
        <dc:creator>PuteMignon</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[i got banned for 521 hours??? is that perma or???]]>
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        <title>Events/Sales/Compensation Heads-Up!  7/8/21</title>
        <link>https://forums.mabinogi.nexon.net/discussion/24830/events-sales-compensation-heads-up-7-8-21</link>
        <pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2021 23:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>General Chat</category>
        <dc:creator>Leinei</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[It's that time again, Milletians!  This week's maintenance on Thursday the 8th calls for the end of the end of several events and sales!<br />
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Starting off with the the events portion, we have the Celebrate the Fourth of July event!  Make sure to log in before Thursday's maintenance to get that 2nd title coupon and get your hotday boxes so you can have a Homestead Star Spangled Banner of your own!  You will get the pieces out of the boxes and then you simply install it on your homestead.  Note, the character that logs in first on your account is the one that gets the box.  Don't forget to set off some fireworks and get some prize boxes for the ones that go over 17m high!<br />
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Celebrate the Fourth of July Event: <a href="https://mabinogi.nexon.net/news/67573/celebrate-the-fourth-of-july" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://mabinogi.nexon.net/news/67573/celebrate-the-fourth-of-july</a><br />
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Next up is the Support Dasha's Inline Skating Team Event!  Finish up those daily quests so you can get your own Special Sporty Wear!  Also make sure to use up your Prize Roulette Coins before they become worthless!  Use them up Wednesday at the latest!<br />
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Support Dasha's Inline Skating Team Event: <a href="https://mabinogi.nexon.net/news/67141/support-dasha-s-inline-skating-team" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://mabinogi.nexon.net/news/67141/support-dasha-s-inline-skating-team</a><br />
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The next event ending with this maintenance is the Billionaire's Bankroll Event!  Run those dungeons, Mag Mell and Tech Duinn missions and get the maximum amount of keys as opposed to your party number with this event!  Also, make sure to get your stuff repaired since it'll be 90% off thanks to Ethel!  I hope everyone got some good materials from this one!<br />
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Billionaire's Bankroll Event: <a href="https://mabinogi.nexon.net/news/66890/the-billionaire-s-bankroll" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://mabinogi.nexon.net/news/66890/the-billionaire-s-bankroll</a><br />
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Ok, so this is the last event that's ending for this one and if you guys have been playing like normal, you should have already gotten it.  I'm going full caps for this one.<br />
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-turns on megaphone-<br />
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GUYS.  IF YOU HAVE NOT LOGGED IN RECENTLY OR KNOW SOMEONE WHO HASN'T, GET IN THE GAME AND TELL YOUR FRIENDS TOO.  THERE IS A PLAYER APPRECIATION HOT TIME GOING ON RIGHT NOW THAT ENDS ON JULY 8TH WITH THE MAINTENANCE.  YOU GET A 2X1 BAG THAT GIVES YOU 10X17 SPACE, THREE HOMESTEAD UPGRADE COUPONS, THREE INVENTORY EXPANSION COUPONS, WINGS, 200 PON, A SPIRIT OF TUAN WHISTLE.  THIS IS A VERY BIG AND AWESOME THING SO GET IN THE GAME AND ACCEPT IT.  WHEN YOU LOG IN, YOU WILL GET A WINDOW THAT POPS UP ASKING IF YOU WANT TO ACCEPT THE MABINOGI GIFT BOX.  MAKE SURE TO HAVE SPACE BEFORE YOU OPEN IT, YOU WILL NEED IT. FULL BOX CONTENTS IN THE LINK BELOW.  ALSO IF YOU HAVE USED STORE BOUGHT REFORGES IN THE TIME FRAME OF JUNE 17, 2020 - JUNE 10, 2021, YOU WILL HAVE RECEIVED SOME IN YOUR IN-GAME MAILBOX.  YOU WILL ALSO GET THREE ELITE CHARACTER CARDS (ONE OF EACH RACE) IF YOU LOG IN BEFORE JULY 8TH.  IF THIS ISN'T ENOUGH FOR YOU, THERE ARE DAILY REBIRTHS AVAILABLE (THIS IS THE ONLY THING NOT ENDING ON THE 8TH).  THIS IS A SUPER AWESOME BIG DEAL PEOPLE.  LOG IN.<br />
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PLAYER APPRECIATION GIFTBOX HOTIME: <a href="https://mabinogi.nexon.net/news/66952/reforging-tools-update-compensation" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://mabinogi.nexon.net/news/66952/reforging-tools-update-compensation</a><br />
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-turns off megaphone-<br />
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Alright, moving onto the sales portion!  Starting with that is the Time to Train Shopkeeper's Sale!  You can buy some lovely items to help you rank those bothersome skills like the Receiver of Nao's Blessing Title coupon which gives your party 1.5x Shadow Mission, Dungeon, Drama Missions and you get 2x!  Also bearers will receives some stat bonuses as well as a lovely 2x skill training buff!  Full details in the link below!<br />
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Time to Train Shopkeeper's Sale: <a href="https://mabinogi.nexon.net/news/66892/shopkeeper-s-sale-time-to-train" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://mabinogi.nexon.net/news/66892/shopkeeper-s-sale-time-to-train</a><br />
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Alright, the final sale and order of business for this heads-up is the Apricot Blossom Box!  There's some really pretty stuff in this one!  So if you like anything from the prize listings, try your hand at the gacha!  I still need to pick up a stack to try for one of those support puppets!<br />
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Apricot Blossom Box: <a href="https://mabinogi.nexon.net/news/67156/apricot-blossom-box" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://mabinogi.nexon.net/news/67156/apricot-blossom-box</a><br />
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Whoo!  That was probably the longest heads-up we've had in a while!  I hope everyone's having a good summer so far and that you're all staying healthy!  Make sure to have fun and don't forget to take a break if you're working or taking extra classes this summer!  Until next time, Happy Gaming, everyone!]]>
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        <title>More Tiers/Characters</title>
        <link>https://forums.mabinogi.nexon.net/discussion/24842/more-tiers-characters</link>
        <pubDate>Wed, 07 Jul 2021 08:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>General Chat</category>
        <dc:creator>LovePanda</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[I think it's high time Mabi adds a few Tiers to the Character screen(spreading out our characters a little) and ups the character limit to at least 600. All these great pets they come out with while we are limited. Who agrees?]]>
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        <title>Awakened Abyssal Lord hs Eight Chests?</title>
        <link>https://forums.mabinogi.nexon.net/discussion/24699/awakened-abyssal-lord-hs-eight-chests</link>
        <pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2021 22:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>General Chat</category>
        <dc:creator>Necrojoker</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[My friends and I just did a Kraken Elite run and when it died, there were no chests at our feet. We were instantly confused, but found that there were chests in the center of the room: eight of them. Unless they also changed it, the limit is four players so am I to understand that on top of abysmal drop rates for things like Misty Red Gems and Kraken Hearts we now have an added layer of randomness?<br />
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If that is the case, then here is my feedback. This does not feel good. If it is the case that you can only open half the chests, then it leaves everyone in doubt about which chest they should have chosen and instead of having a feeling of &quot;Oh well, we can just keep trying&quot;, it leaves a feeling of &quot;Why bother if the rates just got cut in half?&quot;<br />
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Would a GM/CM please shed some light on what's going on here?]]>
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        <title>Is Mabi even worth coming back to?</title>
        <link>https://forums.mabinogi.nexon.net/discussion/24825/is-mabi-even-worth-coming-back-to</link>
        <pubDate>Sun, 04 Jul 2021 04:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>ARandomGuyUDontKno</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[Hey everyone, older veteran player here (Started in G8 on Alexina), haven't played Mabi in forever since like 2016, but i'm curious if it's worth coming back to or not. I know the player base was dying back then, and i've heard that it's only gone downhill from there.<br />
any thoughts?]]>
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        <title>Coding Mana shield is garbage</title>
        <link>https://forums.mabinogi.nexon.net/discussion/24824/coding-mana-shield-is-garbage</link>
        <pubDate>Sun, 04 Jul 2021 03:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>Owntrolf</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[This skill is one of the most garbage coded skill in the game.<br />
It doesnt use your regular def/prot like how it used to be during release.<br />
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Current formula is:<br />
<b>MagicAttack*0.01 or Base+Reforge</b><br />
Whichever number is higher is the Mana Shield efficiency<br />
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TLDR if you have enough Magic Attack the reforge is useless.<br />
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On another note, def/prot/mdef/mprot gains from erg such as 2h sword/blunts etc apply to Mana Shield which breaks the rules of Mana Shield not applying def/prot/mdef/mprot]]>
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        <title>Training celestial spike help!</title>
        <link>https://forums.mabinogi.nexon.net/discussion/24826/training-celestial-spike-help</link>
        <pubDate>Sun, 04 Jul 2021 08:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>General Chat</category>
        <dc:creator>MrKaisir</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[im at rank 4 where u need to kill an apostle with celestial spike. Im killing mineral wolfs with the skill (just following what wiki says)in Girgashiy raid (very hard mode) and its not counting. am i doing it wrong? or do i have to kill the boss apostles]]>
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        <title>receiving homework materials(free baits and stuff)</title>
        <link>https://forums.mabinogi.nexon.net/discussion/24813/receiving-homework-materials-free-baits-and-stuff</link>
        <pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2021 20:14:39 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>noobodyzxz</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[Today  I've met 3 people that dont know about it and they are still stuck in fishing, with some complaining that fishing for the rare fish is so hard and requires coins.(cause it feels weird to see people still doing the fishing part while I'm on my 3rd day catching bugs) I had to explain that you can get as much baits, woodchips and L-rods you could ever need for free 3 times. (I wish I just copy pasted it which is why I'm copy pasting stuff I typed on discord, also not sure if there is a limit to how many of the free baits and stuff we get haven't tested that yet)<br />
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So this is basically just to inform those who doesn't know about it yet, you can get additional baits, woodchips and L-rods by scrolling down clicking &quot;receiving homework materials&quot; then selecting the homework materials you need. I think you will only get additional materials if u no longer have any of it left in your inventory, you selected the right materials needed to complete homework and you haven't turned in or completed the quest for that day.<br />
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some people may have given up on this event not knowing this<br />
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        <title>Event fishing bait</title>
        <link>https://forums.mabinogi.nexon.net/discussion/24805/event-fishing-bait</link>
        <pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2021 20:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>General Chat</category>
        <dc:creator>JasJMJ</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[When you run out of bait fishing for the rare fish are you supposed to wait until the next day to receive more? Or is there a way to get more other than the coins cause i don't have enough to buy that bait]]>
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        <title>Sale+Compensation Heads-up! 7/1/21</title>
        <link>https://forums.mabinogi.nexon.net/discussion/24806/sale-compensation-heads-up-7-1-21</link>
        <pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2021 21:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>General Chat</category>
        <dc:creator>Leinei</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[Hey, Milletians!  It's that time again!  This week we're only saying farewell to the Summer Fun Shopkeeper's Sale!  Available items are Order of the Black Moon Doll Bag Gift Box, Empty Doll Bag Storage Chest, Summer Shopping Bags and Vacation Packages!  Make sure to pick up any items you're interested in before they're gone!<br />
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Summer Fun Shopkeeper's Sale: <a href="https://mabinogi.nexon.net/news/67271/shopkeeper-s-sale-summer-fun" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://mabinogi.nexon.net/news/67271/shopkeeper-s-sale-summer-fun</a><br />
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Also, if you haven't already logged in this month, please make sure to log in and accept your appreciation hot time gift called the Mabinogi Gift Box.  It has an awesome amount of items that will help your inventory INCLUDING A FREE 2X1 BAG THAT GIVES YOU 10X17 SPACE.  There's more you can read about in the list in the link below.  Also, if you know anyone who hasn't logged in, please remind them to get their items.  The last day to receive this is July 8th before the maintenance, so this is an early heads-up and you still have time.<br />
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Also if you used PAID reforges between June 17, 2020 - June 10, 2021, then you should have some sitting in your mailbox in game.<br />
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Reforge Compensation+Player Appreciation Hot Time: <a href="https://mabinogi.nexon.net/news/66952/reforging-tools-update-compensation" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">https://mabinogi.nexon.net/news/66952/reforging-tools-update-compensation</a><br />
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That's all for now!  Happy Gaming, everyone!]]>
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        <title>Glyphwriting Contest Exclusive Ink</title>
        <link>https://forums.mabinogi.nexon.net/discussion/24803/glyphwriting-contest-exclusive-ink</link>
        <pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2021 04:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>General Chat</category>
        <dc:creator>ikemendesu</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[I was wondering what the color of the glyphwriting contest ink looks like on the ground. Does it look like the neon colors, as in they shine brightly on both dark and light surfaces? If anyone has pics, I would really appreciate it.<br />
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I find that many glyph ink colors look extremely dull in different lighting, while the system neon colors are way too saturated.<br />
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Will the colors ever be released as a non-contest reward? I am really hoping so! ]]>
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        <title>Vertical Gaming Mice or other solutions...</title>
        <link>https://forums.mabinogi.nexon.net/discussion/24785/vertical-gaming-mice-or-other-solutions</link>
        <pubDate>Sun, 20 Jun 2021 22:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>General Chat</category>
        <dc:creator>Crimsọn</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[Ok so been having problems playing mabinogi for the last few years and especially recently. I want some opinions so I can game like I used to. My thumb and wrist go numb even after just 5-10 minutes into a dungeon. It prevents me from grinding and I'm sick of it. I can't get what I want to do done as much as I want. I was thinking of getting one of those vertical gaming mice and I was wondering; have you tried them? If so, which one would you recommend (for a female hand)? Or do you have gaming solutions for carpal tunnel that don't involve the witty <i>quit playing</i> solution? Not bleeping doing surgery.<br />
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I'm actually really serious. I'm looking for help because gaming is all I got left since I quit drinking, smoking, thc, everything. I can't even have too much sodium anymore. EVERYTHING triggers my heart now. My doctor is trying to put me on a beta blocker, (I have it just haven't taken it yet because I'm scared to lol).<br />
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Gaming is all I have left to keep my mind off of bleep. Please help.]]>
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        <title>Mabi Engine Revamp?</title>
        <link>https://forums.mabinogi.nexon.net/discussion/24768/mabi-engine-revamp</link>
        <pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2021 01:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>General Chat</category>
        <dc:creator>Hakushi2</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[Do you think that mabi will ever get a engine revamp? I think it would bring so much freshness to the game but idk if this game does well enough to warrant it at least make it mabi mobile esk ya know?]]>
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