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Complete Gotcha is illegal!!! WE WON!!! NO GOTCHA!

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edited June 12, 2017 in Town Square
http://www.adweek.com/digital/japan-officially-declares-lucractive-kompu-gacha-practice-illegal-in-social-games/

Japan just made it illegal to make complete gotcha in that country. Meaning Korea can not profit from it from those users. They will have to stop using Gotcha and start offering real items.
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  • BuffalosBuffalos
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    "According to industry watcher Serkan Toto, the ban does not affect gacha, just kompu gacha."
    From the definitions in the article, I don't think this ban will apply to Mabinogi's gacha systems. Kompu gacha in this sense seems to entail "get all of these rare as hell prizes and we'll mail you something even cooler!", and Mabi hasn't done that since Wishbones for Thanksgiving.

    TheNyanCat
  • GretaGreta
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    That cringe.
  • AeolysAeolys
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    Don't forget the NPC Coin collection that gives you a complete shiny Nuadha set.
  • TNinjaTNinja
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    I didn't know what a "Gotcha" was.
  • MaiaMaia
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    Aeolys wrote: »
    Don't forget the NPC Coin collection that gives you a complete shiny Nuadha set.

    haha that's how I got my first nuadha, 8m on that damn nao coin
  • lethalviruslethalvirus
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    TNinja wrote: »
    I didn't know what a "Gotcha" was.

    "Gotcha" is the original name of a "gacha". Companies called them "Gotchas" because after you bought them and didn't get anything good they be like haha " GOTCHA !!! " as in " we got you! " or " we fooled you! "
  • TNinjaTNinja
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    TNinja wrote: »
    I didn't know what a "Gotcha" was.

    "Gotcha" is the original name of a "gacha". Companies called them "Gotchas" because after you bought them and didn't get anything good they be like haha " GOTCHA !!! " as in " we got you! " or " we fooled you! "
    Dad that you?
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    VioletBoy
  • watercat0watercat0
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    Buffalos wrote: »
    "According to industry watcher Serkan Toto, the ban does not affect gacha, just kompu gacha."
    From the definitions in the article, I don't think this ban will apply to Mabinogi's gacha systems. Kompu gacha in this sense seems to entail "get all of these rare as hell prizes and we'll mail you something even cooler!", and Mabi hasn't done that since Wishbones for Thanksgiving.

    Nope it means it can't do anything that requires a buch of pay to obtain items that are possibly the first drop or the last drop. So something like this is illegal:
    kompu-gacha-complete-gacha-comp-gacha.jpg

    This is what mabinogi has been doing to us for years!
  • TNinjaTNinja
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    They have?
  • watercat0watercat0
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    TNinja wrote: »
    They have?

    Yes: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Special_Equipment_Box

    Those equipment became normal afterword.

    http://mabinogi.nexon.net/News/Announcements/1/00J3D

    No one has these to this day,

    http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Winter_Gear_Shuffle_Cards

    No one like this one.

    http://mabinogi.nexon.net/News/Announcements/1/00J44

    This took a lot of money from people.
  • BuffalosBuffalos
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    watercat0 wrote: »
    TNinja wrote: »
    They have?

    Yes: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Special_Equipment_Box

    Those equipment became normal afterword.

    http://mabinogi.nexon.net/News/Announcements/1/00J3D

    No one has these to this day,

    http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Winter_Gear_Shuffle_Cards

    No one like this one.

    http://mabinogi.nexon.net/News/Announcements/1/00J44

    This took a lot of money from people.

    That's not building a set of items to get a guaranteed prize. That's just gacha.
    TheNyanCatAeolysSherri
  • GretaGreta
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    edited June 14, 2017
    Sigh, this guy... I noticed that he has a huge grudge on gachas since long ago. Poor guy probably wasted like 1000$ on gacha so now he's salty after finally realizing that he was gamble addict and it wasn't actually worth all that waste after all.
    SherriAeolys
  • FalcondaeFalcondae
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    I think a more fitting comparison are those Monopoly games that McDonald's and a few other places have done, just minus the groceries and food and only having the tokens. So, pretty much you buy something and you get tokens to fill in a board that gives prizes.

    The diagram watercat0 posted is pretty much that.

    However, the Gachas Nexon has been releasing (Save maybe one that people are talking about since I was absent at the time), do not fall under the Kompu Gacha catagory; they're just Gachas that have items, not parts of items that you have to collect to turn in for a bigger prize (Again, not including the one that people keep talking about). Save from that particular one, there's technically nothing illegal in terms of the Gacha that are being released thus far. None of the gachapons are telling you to complete a whole set to get a better prize. They're just a chance game to see what you can get. Won't always be that super uber something you really want but you do get something, as bad as those items may be.
    TheNyanCat
  • watercat0watercat0
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    Falcondae wrote: »
    I think a more fitting comparison are those Monopoly games that McDonald's and a few other places have done, just minus the groceries and food and only having the tokens. So, pretty much you buy something and you get tokens to fill in a board that gives prizes.

    The diagram watercat0 posted is pretty much that.

    However, the Gachas Nexon has been releasing (Save maybe one that people are talking about since I was absent at the time), do not fall under the Kompu Gacha catagory; they're just Gachas that have items, not parts of items that you have to collect to turn in for a bigger prize (Again, not including the one that people keep talking about). Save from that particular one, there's technically nothing illegal in terms of the Gacha that are being released thus far. None of the gachapons are telling you to complete a whole set to get a better prize. They're just a chance game to see what you can get. Won't always be that super uber something you really want but you do get something, as bad as those items may be.

    "not parts of items that you have to collect to turn in for a bigger prize"

    The grand prize is to look fashionable, do you want to look like this:
    00J44-d8f21248-797c-4deb-8532-b9b31cdf36c2.png

    "None of the gachapons are telling you to complete a whole set to get a better prize"

    no but you can feel it saying "connect them all in the name of fashion."

    Also Korea copys japan's law every time plus they are working on stopping gambling, so it will not be too far in the future to see this law pass.
  • BuffalosBuffalos
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    Hardmuscle wrote: »
    Japan South Korea United States of America. :*

    NA mostly follows Japan in terms of update content, so the theory would be a cash shop change happening there might happen here later on. But that'd require what Japan is doing now to fall under this new illegal type of gacha.
    watercat0 wrote: »
    "not parts of items that you have to collect to turn in for a bigger prize"

    The grand prize is to look fashionable, do you want to look like this:
    00J44-d8f21248-797c-4deb-8532-b9b31cdf36c2.png

    "None of the gachapons are telling you to complete a whole set to get a better prize"

    no but you can feel it saying "connect them all in the name of fashion."

    Also Korea copys japan's law every time plus they are working on stopping gambling, so it will not be too far in the future to see this law pass.

    You are seriously trying to stretch this out. The legislation is against kompu gacha, which is defined as "obtain these items and you can get an entirely new item." Looking fashionable is not an item. If someone tries to bring that idea to court, Nexon JP lawyers will promptly shut them down because the law does not apply here.
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  • TNinjaTNinja
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    edited June 14, 2017
    watercat0 wrote: »
    TNinja wrote: »
    They have?

    Yes: http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Special_Equipment_Box

    Those equipment became normal afterword.

    http://mabinogi.nexon.net/News/Announcements/1/00J3D

    No one has these to this day,

    http://wiki.mabinogiworld.com/view/Winter_Gear_Shuffle_Cards

    No one like this one.

    http://mabinogi.nexon.net/News/Announcements/1/00J44

    This took a lot of money from people.

    Despite you showing us the exact definition of a Complete Gacha, with image description and everything, you somehow failed to understand the difference of a normal gachapon and a complete gachapon.

    How?
    Aeolys
  • VioletBoyVioletBoy
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    To make things easier, Normal gachapons are list of prizes that is in the gachapon, Like the current ace doll gachapon, You have a chance to get the trio box, for example, by just try your luck. Kompu gachapon is like " Try your luck AND collect the Three lost Warriors dolls to obtain the Ace trio box". And who know how long and how much money it takes.
  • FalcondaeFalcondae
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    watercat0 wrote: »
    "not parts of items that you have to collect to turn in for a bigger prize"

    The grand prize is to look fashionable, do you want to look like this:
    00J44-d8f21248-797c-4deb-8532-b9b31cdf36c2.png
    Ok, that's stretching it WAY too far. To look fashionable is one thing; that's just players who want to look nice. But again, Nexon's gachapons DO NOT fall under the definition of a Kompu Gacha. You are not turning in each piece of the fashion set to get a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT, BRAND NEW fashion set. The fashion is made with the pieces you obtained through normal gachapon, not turning in bits and pieces to obtain an entirely different set.

    Again, think of it as the Monopoly game that McDonald's and some other businesses use for promotionals and advertisements. You buy more products to get more tokens. In return, you collect those tokens and place them on your board. When you fill up a certain area, you turn in the board to the promoter for the prize that's listed. That's more of a closer definition to a Kompu Gacha.

    Besides, being fashionable is all in the eyes of the beholder. One might think the set is fashionable and worth it while another person might not value it as much as the next. This isn't a 'grand prize' other than self-satisfaction. At least understand that part. It's all in the head.
    watercat0 wrote: »
    "None of the gachapons are telling you to complete a whole set to get a better prize"

    no but you can feel it saying "connect them all in the name of fashion."
    I chalk this up to OCD or just the fashionista in some people who want to be completionists. To "Collect them all in the name of fashion" is just saying to buy the gachapon and try your hand at perhaps obtaining the piece you need. Again, NO WHERE does it say that you collect pieces from the gachapon and turn those pieces in for something better.
    watercat0 wrote: »
    Also Korea copys japan's law every time plus they are working on stopping gambling, so it will not be too far in the future to see this law pass.
    Even if it does pass, businesses will look at different ways to make money, but again, this law only applies to Kompu Gachapons, not the normal Gachapons that are common nowadays.
  • SplatulatedSplatulated
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    VioletBoy wrote: »
    To make things easier, Normal gachapons are list of prizes that is in the gachapon, Like the current ace doll gachapon, You have a chance to get the trio box, for example, by just try your luck. Kompu gachapon is like " Try your luck AND collect the Three lost Warriors dolls to obtain the Ace trio box". And who know how long and how much money it takes.

    so the shuffle bingo board gach would be illegal because you had to gach for every single item on the board to get a reaper set ?
  • BuffalosBuffalos
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    VioletBoy wrote: »
    To make things easier, Normal gachapons are list of prizes that is in the gachapon, Like the current ace doll gachapon, You have a chance to get the trio box, for example, by just try your luck. Kompu gachapon is like " Try your luck AND collect the Three lost Warriors dolls to obtain the Ace trio box". And who know how long and how much money it takes.

    so the shuffle bingo board gach would be illegal because you had to gach for every single item on the board to get a reaper set ?

    That one -might- fall under the definition. But all the others listed really wouldn't.