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Nexon, please address the botting situation.

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  • HardmuscleHardmuscle
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    edited August 27, 2017
    Froglord wrote: »
    Let's get real here folks... No one's going to have 5 to 20 computers designated to running mabinogi. That's just stupid, it's sad, it's stupid, and anyone who goes and does that is just desperate. I would imagine any of these people would suffer extreme flak from their families, or large electricity bills.

    Multi-boxing is only available through modding, and apparently someone is abusing mods to set up a botting market specifically designed for gold farming. You can deny it sure, turn your nose at it, or even flat out say something opposite to cover your own butts. However this is more than obvious, and it is what it is.
    ""Gold farming"--selling virtual credits amassed in online multiplayer games such as World of Warcraft to gamers for cash--is part of a $3 billion market of virtual gaming goods, according to a recent World Bank estimate, and nowhere is the practice more widespread than China."

    https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/05/video-game-gold-farming-chinese-prison-labor/351123/ :|
    How much do you think has changed in 6 years, and do you honestly believe it's just WoW?

    Imagine if you will; Farming Game Gold in Prison. :(

  • FroglordFroglord
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    edited August 27, 2017
    Hardmuscle wrote: »
    Froglord wrote: »
    Let's get real here folks... No one's going to have 5 to 20 computers designated to running mabinogi. That's just stupid, it's sad, it's stupid, and anyone who goes and does that is just desperate. I would imagine any of these people would suffer extreme flak from their families, or large electricity bills.

    Multi-boxing is only available through modding, and apparently someone is abusing mods to set up a botting market specifically designed for gold farming. You can deny it sure, turn your nose at it, or even flat out say something opposite to cover your own butts. However this is more than obvious, and it is what it is.
    ""Gold farming"--selling virtual credits amassed in online multiplayer games such as World of Warcraft to gamers for cash--is part of a $3 billion market of virtual gaming goods, according to a recent World Bank estimate, and nowhere is the practice more widespread than China."

    https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/05/video-game-gold-farming-chinese-prison-labor/351123/ :|
    How much do you think has changed in 6 years, and do you honestly believe it's just WoW?

    Imagine if you will; Farming Game Gold in Prison. :(

    That is a huge factor in botting in most MMO's undoubtedly, however there are players who do this routinely as a shady get-rich easy scheme. Don't believe me? Look at the Mabinogi Alexina facebook group.
  • HardmuscleHardmuscle
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    edited August 27, 2017
    Froglord wrote: »
    Hardmuscle wrote: »
    Froglord wrote: »
    Let's get real here folks... No one's going to have 5 to 20 computers designated to running mabinogi. That's just stupid, it's sad, it's stupid, and anyone who goes and does that is just desperate. I would imagine any of these people would suffer extreme flak from their families, or large electricity bills.

    Multi-boxing is only available through modding, and apparently someone is abusing mods to set up a botting market specifically designed for gold farming. You can deny it sure, turn your nose at it, or even flat out say something opposite to cover your own butts. However this is more than obvious, and it is what it is.
    ""Gold farming"--selling virtual credits amassed in online multiplayer games such as World of Warcraft to gamers for cash--is part of a $3 billion market of virtual gaming goods, according to a recent World Bank estimate, and nowhere is the practice more widespread than China."

    https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/05/video-game-gold-farming-chinese-prison-labor/351123/ :|
    How much do you think has changed in 6 years, and do you honestly believe it's just WoW?

    Imagine if you will; Farming Game Gold in Prison. :(

    That is a huge factor in botting in most MMO's undoubtedly, however there are players who do this routinely as a shady get-rich easy scheme. Don't believe me? Look at the Mabinogi Alexina facebook group.
    I didn't say I don't believe you. What I did say (or imply) is that you're wrong about Multi-boxing only being available through modding, and you're wrong when saying no one has 5 to 20 computers designated to running Mabinogi. They likely have hundreds of them lined-up in tight uniform rows in these "prisons/boiler rooms". As for Fecesbook, I permanently deleted my account after 10 long years of drama and politics.

    I deleted (not deactivated) my account. ~ It's gone forever. (https://www.facebook.com/help/delete_account).

    ~ It took 14 days to complete the process, and I never felt better about anything. B)

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    "Now there are factories all over China. In central Henan Province, one factory has 300 computers. At another factory in western Gansu Province, the workers log up to 18 hours a day." (12-9-2005) ~ Do you think anything changed? :(

  • SiodhanSiodhan
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    -scrolls through 4 pages of trash-

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  • GretaGreta
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  • ErikaErika
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    All these forum bots...

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  • GretaGreta
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    edited September 4, 2017
    The name though...

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    Meme pops up instantly to me. :D

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    Poor Robin (Us) lol.
  • AtaraxizAtaraxiz
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    This is an amusing group of people xD

    Nexon, do something it's getting seriously annoying.
  • IstikuIstiku
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    Liyeta wrote: »
    @morbius17 ask the forum dev to limit 1 new thread an hour for new forum member.
    Chances are if this were implemented the bots would just create new throw away accounts to get around this.
    Kokoro wrote: »
    Maybe a captcha when you make a new thread or something?
    Probably the best/easiest solution. Could potentially life this requirement after a certain amount of time/posts to let regulars not be overly inconvenienced.
  • ShoogShoog
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    Morning! What a mess today! :C Cleanup begins!
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  • AtaraxizAtaraxiz
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    Shoog wrote: »
    Morning! What a mess today! :C Cleanup begins!

    Shoog <3 Morning!! Poor thing, gotta clean up bot mess xwx
  • SaiSai
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    Shoog wrote: »
    Morning! What a mess today! :C Cleanup begins!

    Out with the trash.
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    At least for the morning...
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  • TheDumbOneTheDumbOne
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    -tells people gms need to delete bots and stop using others as search dogs and just log in to do more then just deliver mail-
    -gets told bots will just re-appear again-
    -still see people looking for bots to be removed-
  • KouyioueKouyioue
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    When you delete them, just keep their namespaces so that they have to try really hard to re-use a previously deleted randomized name
  • EllisyaEllisya
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    edited September 4, 2017
    Just by deleting post won't do much for bots. They'll keep do this until forum closes.

    Need better solution other than cleaning them up.. One of my old website used to get spammed by bots, regardless bots nationality, like this until I apply robot.txt thingy.
  • PolicromaPolicroma
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    Well, somebody's "approving" these bots if the top of the forum is to be believed.

    Honestly, I think it might be easier to require new threads to be "approved" until a mod flags the account as an actual human. (Should only be once for most people.)
  • HardmuscleHardmuscle
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    edited September 5, 2017
    Policroma wrote: »
    Well, somebody's "approving" these bots if the top of the forum is to be believed.

    Honestly, I think it might be easier to require new threads to be "approved" until a mod flags the account as an actual human. (Should only be once for most people.)
    The easiest to implement (and in my opinion, best idea so far) is the limit on threads per day. Like someone else said (I can't recall who exactly), even the most die hard forum user doesn't need to make more than 1, 2 or 3 threads in a day. Knowing how simple this is to manage isn't doing anyone (in terms of company reputation) any favors. ~ A thread limit (not necessarily a post limit) would do a lot of good.
    Tentacle wrote: »
    How about limiting the number of threads one user can create to 1-3 per day? Not only would that be a countermeasure against bots but also a general spam-prevention mechanism. Sorry if I'm not supposed making suggestion about that kind of stuff, I just want the forums to be clean again.

  • LeineiLeinei
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    edited September 5, 2017
    But even if we limit the threads made, wouldn't they just make more bot accounts to spam to make up for the lower thread allotment? Too bad they don't have an auto-delete program set up to auto-detect/delete Korean text with the exception of it being a user name because I know there's one user name in Korean that's linked up to the "Introducing the Global Mabinogi Discord Server!" thread in General. Also, this wouldn't affect pictures, just text, so those who report to us about what's coming out in Korea wouldn't be hindered.

    Maybe turn the European Community (where other language chats are allowed) tab to "Around the World" or something, but still hold the same ability it has, but broaden the meaning than just being directed at European natives, and make that the only area in the forums where Korean would be allowed outside of usernames. It appears seldom used anyway (last post was Aug 21), so if they are able to post the stuff there and only there (if at all), it won't get a lot traffic and it would be a lot easier to clean up than the multiple categories that get hit daily/nightly.
  • HardmuscleHardmuscle
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    edited September 5, 2017
    Leinei wrote: »
    But even if we limit the threads made, wouldn't they just make more bot accounts to spam to make up for the lower thread allotment? Too bad they don't have an auto-delete program set up to auto-detect/delete Korean text with the exception of it being a user name because I know there's one user name in Korean that's linked up to the "Introducing the Global Mabinogi Discord Server!" thread in General. Also, this wouldn't affect pictures, just text, so those who report to us about what's coming out in Korea wouldn't be hindered.

    Maybe turn the European Community (where other language chats are allowed) tab to "Around the World" or something, but still hold the same ability it has, but broaden the meaning than just being directed at European natives, and make that the only area in the forums where Korean would be allowed outside of usernames. It appears seldom used anyway (last post was Aug 21), so if they are able to post the stuff there and only there (if at all), it won't get a lot traffic and it would be a lot easier to clean up than the multiple categories that get hit daily/nightly.
    There's nothing stopping them from using another language.

    While I'm not implying we instigate the "bots"; it often replies when spoken to (in plain old, non-discriminative, English).

    I predict the person doing this is a dirtbag who speaks English natively (hates being referred to as a 3 year old) and thinks it's an insult to use Korean, when spamming. That's why they do it. It's like an enraged monkey slinging feces at a wall; Except when they do it, it's because they didn't get what they want from gachapon or something really stupid. I'd bet my bottom dollar their IP pool is in N. America without a proxy.

    A good clue is the spam is not even legible (it barely makes sense), in any language. ~ They may as well be spamming Lorem Ipsum. :|

  • BuffalosBuffalos
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    Policroma wrote: »
    Well, somebody's "approving" these bots if the top of the forum is to be believed.

    Honestly, I think it might be easier to require new threads to be "approved" until a mod flags the account as an actual human. (Should only be once for most people.)

    That sounds a lot like what "new forum users have to be approved before posting" was supposed to do. The only difference is where the approval step occurs (before a thread is written vs after), and that step seems to be...not working right.
    Hardmuscle wrote: »
    I predict the person doing this is a dirtbag who speaks English natively (hates being referred to as a 3 year old) and thinks it's an insult to use Korean, when spamming. That's why they do it. It's like an enraged monkey slinging feces at a wall; Except when they do it, it's because they didn't get what they want from gachapon or something really stupid. I'd bet my bottom dollar their IP pool is in N. America without a proxy.

    Theory milling who could be behind this won't get us anywhere, but I doubt this is some dirtbag who has a hate crush on Nexon. The links they are posting that I've looked at do lead to some app store pages that are real (albeit, it's Chinese Bootleg "real"). If anything they're wanting people to install malware to do...something.
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