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~ Hel’s 10 Commerce tips ~

HelryxHelryx
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edited February 8, 2019 in Game Guides
~ Hel’s 10 Commerce tips ~

Hello! I’m Helryx from Alexina. I’m writing this guide because commercing is really fun, and while there already exist a few guides here and there, I feel like I can add my own level of depth that you might not of come across. These are all my honest opinions and ideas, based off my experience over the past few months have come up with great tips to help you with your commercing journey!

1. Talent! -You’ve got talent! Or at least, you should. Tip number 1 is to solo focus commerce, you wanna get it up fast? Then you gotta put the time in. A lot of people take their time with it, or try it once and are disappointed by the rewards for the work. //train gold strike while you’re at it. (it’s not as expensive as you might think)

2. Get some ducats early! - A great way to start your commerce journey is to do the fighter quest, by making your active talent fighter for the first time you get access to this content. Follow a harem style drama, and make 3k ducats! // another good way if you’re able to handle yourself to do bandit hunting with bronze/silver/gold bandit cards! Or get a high level to put Master bandits on finish to get the ruthless bandit badges which sell for 1k ducats per.

3. Be ready for a fight - no matter how good your bandits dodging skills are, you’re never going to be able to avoid every bandit, so if you’re riding solo make sure you have equips to deal with bandits. Or go with a friend.

4.Patience - This is one of the most important tips, commercing is long and repetitive, especially when alone, but the more trips you do, the more gold and ducats you make. My tip would be (if your computer can handle it) would be to watch anime on the side or read an awesome light-novel or book while you commerce!

5.Progression! - You make most ducats in one go with an Elephant, and they cost 350k ducats which at first, seems like a horizon away. But don’t fret! It will be slow to start off but once you get a (horse drawn)wagon, you’ll be rolling in ducats!

6. Route - Plan your route, this might sound strange but make sure know where you’re going. Time is a big factor in commercing, and you don’t wanna get lost! So learn the maps and work out how where to cut across the map for the fastest speed.

7. Trading posts - this comes with time but, leveling trading posts is important, same with commerce mastery, really vital for that extra percentage.

Advanced Tips:

8. Limited goods - limited goods are goods that have low stock, but sell for a really high value! At the very bottom of the trade goods, they are usually the last thing you unlock and is one of the main reasons you want to rank up the trade posts. But beware! Seeing as they’re so limited they get grabbed up pretty much as soon as they spawn. They spawn every two hours, starting from one hour after the day reset, and always spawn within 5 minutes.

In terms of places for limited goods it goes in this order:
- Tir - Best price you can get, but it’s gone instantly
- Dunby - Second best price and isn’t always gone instantly but the trading post can be difficult to rank.
- Cobh - Less people know about it, and it’s a great price if you have enchants.
- Tail - Alpaca/wagon run - usually a quick trip to dunby.
- Emain - not really notable, I would usually do my last run at tail.
- Belvast - It seems good but generally you want to avoid going to Belvast altogether, the boat is a novelty which runs out fast, too long.
- Tara - You can go to tara, just don’t take anything from it, unless you like really long hauls for not much reason.
- Bangor - highlander is better.*
*Lead is better if you don't have commerce rings, as highlander gets nuked as everyone wants to get it.

9. Commerce Gear/ GM merchant / letters / Partners- This is the expensive stuff. Commerce outfits are very useful for making great DPM (below).

- A g15 outfit (Bassanio, Antonio, Shylock, Portia) or a William partner commerce outfit. (giants can also get in on this they also have a giant version for shylock/portia now) You want to get yourself a good commerce reforge. 15+ the higher the better.

- Fleet feet also increases your speed by the equivalent of 5 commerce speed. An Alpaca robe is a good alternative to a commerce outfit and provides the equivalent of 10 commerce speed but this doesn’t stack with a commerce outfit.

- Wavesweeper unfortunately doesn't stack, rather it's slightly faster than fleet feet, but its hardly noticeable at 16%.

- Commerce enchants - probably one of the most important things if you can get your hands on it, you want Trader (r7) and Trustworthy (rB). They give you discounts on trade goods and increase merchant rating at towns. With enchants like these you can make ridiculous high reward runs at any time.

E.g. Emain's Prices for Triple pasta make it one of the best runs.
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- Grandmaster merchant - you get +100 weight capacity and an extra slot, definitely worth it.

- Letters of guarantee - You can get 30/40% letters for free from Festia boxes. It’s another great boost.

- Pets/partners An alpaca is great for speed runs from dunby and tail. You can also make the very useful Alpaca robe. William is the best commerce partner you can get, but a regular commerce partner is fine. More goods = more ducats.

10. DPM - To make the most ducats you want to get the best ducat per minute (DPM) efficiency. Don’t worry about the math, just bare in mind that speed runs tend to be better than long hauls. If you’re just starting out I would recommend taking Tir’s baby potion to Dunbarton when the price is at 7-10 ducats per - and then diet potion, all the way up to a wagon.
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  • ShouKShouK
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    Helryx wrote: »
    4.Patience - This is one of the most important tips, commercing is long and repetitive, especially when alone, but the more trips you do, the more gold and ducats you make. My tip would be (if your computer can handle it) would be to watch anime on the side or read an awesome light-novel or book while you commerce!
    I see many people said that they do this, but how on earth are you supposed to avoid bandits while your attention is on something else? I spawned bandits just for opening up my inventory while not stopping...
  • HelryxHelryx
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    They can spawn under you sometimes which is kinda unavoidable, but if you keep an eye out you can usually spot bandits. You can also listen to the heartbeat, the faster it beats the closer the bandit is. You only really get better at multitasking it through experience, so don't give up!
    Spareoh
  • KensamaofmariKensamaofmari
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    If you can get your hands on some Scathath Beach commerce items, you could make a lot of money quick.
  • HelryxHelryx
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    edited September 22, 2017
    I'd say do that if you're strong enough to handle it, and even then it's pretty slow. I did the forest purification mission a few days ago, and while i did get a few random commerce items, it did take ages and was pretty painful haha. I'm planning to make another guide on how to make 100k+ ducats in a single run, and the Scathach run will be one of the ways.

    I'd say Scathach beach is something you should do if you're strong and not as invested into Commercing i.e. transport speed/enchants.
    PrezzixSpareoh
  • KensamaofmariKensamaofmari
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    For expert level lol
  • ShouKShouK
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    If you can get your hands on some Scathath Beach commerce items, you could make a lot of money quick.
    I recorded the time I took farming decorative seafood which seems to have the highest drop rate and compare the profit, to the profit I made during normal commercing. Commercing is way more efficient. Although it did feel slow than killing some scathach monsters because of how boring it is.

    Farming commerce items is only worth it during 2x drop rate imo.
  • HelryxHelryx
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    edited~ after testing, Wavesweeper doesn't stack much like the alpaca robe and commerce outfits with 11+ speed, the difference is hardly noticeable too, I have a speed 17 with 16% Wavesweeper, my brother has a speed 20 with fleet feet, and he still outpaces me by quite a margin.
    Spareoh
  • Atheist42Atheist42
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    11. When training Commerce Mastery, from level 9 to level 6 it's best to complete the "5000 ducats or more" requirements, and from level 5 onwards that's your only option. Ideally you make more than 10,000 ducats per run, and sell your goods in 2 separate batches of 5000 or more, so you get 2 training boosts per run. Sometimes you might even manage 15,000 ducats in a run and sell them as 3 separate batches.

    To get 10,000 or 15,000 ducats per run, you should aim to boost your merchant rating for one town to Level 7 as quickly as possible, so you can get access to the "Limited Items" that can give very large profits. Also, higher merchant ratings give you a bigger discount on the purchase price, which is good, but even at the maximum merchant rating it's only 3%, so that's a fairly minor effect.

    So, pick a town as your home town. Only buy from the merchants at your home town. Deliver to whatever town is currently giving the best profit, then use a moon gate to teleport back to your home town and repeat. Keep doing this until you master Commerce Mastery. Only at that point should you consider buying goods from other towns and boosting your merchant ratings in those other towns.

    I don't want to recommend a particular town as the best choice for your home town, because if lots of people followed that advice, then there would be lots of competition for the "Limited Items" from that town, and it would no longer be the best choice of home town. So, just choose a town at random.

    Some would say to NOT choose Belvast as your home town, because of the extra travel time on the boat. On the other hand, the boat time makes Belvast unpopular, meaning there is very little competition for the "Limited Items". If you've got something useful to do during the boat ride, Belvast can be a viable choice.
  • AsurielAsuriel
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    I know you say to avoid Belvast, but I want to rank that one up. (Need to for a content quest. I'm sure I can just ignore it, or even give up on it, but I want to do it..)
    So, what would be your best advice for this?
    Without accessories. I have letters, William and the commerce partner, the alpaca robe and an alpaca.
    So what would be the best way to rank this up fast?
    gertrude
  • HelsaHelsa
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    edited January 29, 2022
    Miruha wrote: »
    I know you say to avoid Belvast, but I want to rank that one up. (Need to for a content quest. I'm sure I can just ignore it, or even give up on it, but I want to do it..)
    So, what would be your best advice for this?
    Without accessories. I have letters, William and the commerce partner, the alpaca robe and an alpaca.
    So what would be the best way to rank this up fast?

    There's another commerce thread in this sub-forum that might address this.
  • ThePravinThePravin
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    the math is very important and given the number of times I have seen this mistake made I'm surprised you didn't add this point.

    You need to multiply the number of goods by the listed profit. I know it sounds really simple but the number of times I've run commerce with both new and veteran players only to find out that they pick what they move simply by the profit amount is amazing. Sometimes because they didn't think about it too hard and sometimes because despite having done commerce long enough to unlock the elephant they hadn't realized different items were moved in different quantities.
  • HelsaHelsa
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    edited April 12, 2022
    ThePravin wrote: »
    the math is very important and given the number of times I have seen this mistake made I'm surprised you didn't add this point.

    You need to multiply the number of goods by the listed profit. I know it sounds really simple but the number of times I've run commerce with both new and veteran players only to find out that they pick what they move simply by the profit amount is amazing. Sometimes because they didn't think about it too hard and sometimes because despite having done commerce long enough to unlock the elephant they hadn't realized different items were moved in different quantities.

    Yep, some towns are 'wagon' towns and some are 'elephant' towns; IIRC Belfast is a 'wagon' town. Also, this is why later on, once you can fill your transport with ducats left over, the highest profit isn't necessarily based on rate of return alone. But early on when you don't have enough ducats to fill you transport THEN it's all about rate of return.

    BTW the 'Hels' in the title of this thread isn't me.
  • gertrudegertrude
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    Asuriel wrote: »
    I know you say to avoid Belvast, but I want to rank that one up. (Need to for a content quest. I'm sure I can just ignore it, or even give up on it, but I want to do it..)
    So, what would be your best advice for this?
    Without accessories. I have letters, William and the commerce partner, the alpaca robe and an alpaca.
    So what would be the best way to rank this up fast?

    I ranked mine by going back and forth from Belvast to Bangor and vice versa. Another player gave me the advice to do this and it helped me. Good luck
  • HelsaHelsa
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    gertrude wrote: »
    Asuriel wrote: »
    I know you say to avoid Belvast, but I want to rank that one up. (Need to for a content quest. I'm sure I can just ignore it, or even give up on it, but I want to do it..)
    So, what would be your best advice for this?
    Without accessories. I have letters, William and the commerce partner, the alpaca robe and an alpaca.
    So what would be the best way to rank this up fast?

    I ranked mine by going back and forth from Belvast to Bangor and vice versa. Another player gave me the advice to do this and it helped me. Good luck

    Yep, I ranked both those cities, at the same time, the exact same way, and this was on pre-Nao-merge Alexina.

    IIRC it's:
    10 Elephant to Belfast
    20 Wagon to Bangor
    30 goto 10
  • LoomyOfPiLoomyOfPi
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    To anyone who is serious about doing commerce, I'd highly recommend getting the skiff early during the trading season. I was hesitant to get mine at first. In some cases, I could load more goods on other transport mounts than what the skiff offered. And unlike the elephant and wagon, the skiff is not a purchase, but a seasonal rental at a whopping 1 mil ducats. And I wasn't sure that the speed increase was worth it.

    But when I reached the point where I decided it was safe to risk the rental, I decided to do so as an experiment. The result? I can certainly say that in the long run, the ducats/minute is enough to offset any objections. I will rent another one early next season.

    So if you are serious about this element of the game, you should certainly invest in one when you can. Just be careful. It would be a waste of ducats if you rent yours at the end of the season, since rentals do not carry over.

    Keep on Truckin' Skiffin'.
  • HelsaHelsa
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    LoomyOfPi wrote: »
    To anyone who is serious about doing commerce, I'd highly recommend getting the skiff early during the trading season. I was hesitant to get mine at first. In some cases, I could load more goods on other transport mounts than what the skiff offered. And unlike the elephant and wagon, the skiff is not a purchase, but a seasonal rental at a whopping 1 mil ducats. And I wasn't sure that the speed increase was worth it.

    But when I reached the point where I decided it was safe to risk the rental, I decided to do so as an experiment. The result? I can certainly say that in the long run, the ducats/minute is enough to offset any objections. I will rent another one early next season.

    So if you are serious about this element of the game, you should certainly invest in one when you can. Just be careful. It would be a waste of ducats if you rent yours at the end of the season, since rentals do not carry over.

    Keep on Truckin' Skiffin'.

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