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And you must not be reading everything either. I never once said the server stats WHEN YOU MAKE A CHARACTER. I only ever referenced to the wiki measurements which change as the population and server status changes. I stated if you follow the server measurements at peak times.
And no, I didn't go back and read through all the other messages, especially yours. Because at this point I don't give a .
Wouldn't it be nice to see shops everywhere? Sometimes having to CC to 1 is a terrible thing to do and even sometimes you cannot as it is full. Having those shops spill out to Ch 2 and 3 etc... would make it that much more intriguing to go shopping cause you never know what you will find.... on any channel.
You and your friend (your ...."shadow") have not offered anything to this thread; literally nothing at all. Your only posts in this thread are posts made to attack me and my opinion, by stating how much more valuable you feel your opinion is over my opinion. -and like I said before; this a merged thread dump; Constant arguing over whether or not this should or could happen is stupid; because it's already been officially denied.
This debate is literally asking Nexon to close the door on thousands of offline accounts (literally hundreds of thousands), solely on the basis of not being in attendance when some fool who doesn't know what they're looking at determines their existence to be null. This debate needs to die.
Excuse me whilst I read through all this. . .
Anyone that knows me from my behavior on the previous forum knows that me and Hardmuscle don't agree. (Heck, we were even "shipped" together once, for being so against each other).
However, I agree with Hard. A server merge is a sign of desperation.
What a lot of you pro-merger people seem to have forgotten is that this is Mabinogi and Nexon. Mabinogi, the game that runs on an engine literally no one outside of the game has even HEARD of (in comparison to, say, Valve's Source Engine, which many people who have never touched a Valve game knows about (Vindictus runs on Source Engine 1)). Remember what happened when Pioneers of Iria (Generations 4, 5, and 6) were added? The game was down for three days straight. Generation 9? Took the game down for over a day. I SHUDDER to think of what disastrous occurences would happen with a server merge; I'd be surprised if ANY data survived that, looking back on Nexon's track record. As for devCAT, all of the people who originally made the Pleione engine no longer work at devCAT.
Crossx2, it doesn't matter how you felt your server was, you abandoned it; I see enough people talk to see that Ruairi still has life, and I can see that WITHOUT logging onto the Ruairi server. Tarlach has a few very active guilds (one coincidentally named Active).
As for the reason why people leave, there are MANY reasons; toxic communities (like Alexina), long dry spells of no significant updates (which have happened from time to time), or simply losing interest (its possible). I know a few Alexinians who would ditch Alexina like a poisonous rash for servers like Tarlach. More people =/= a better experience 100% of the time.
I see where you're going with that, but I personally don't like having to channel hop to check out the shops in the plazas. Makes it that more tedious haha.
I don't think the engine would affect how a server merge would go. The maintenance time of a merge would definitely be fairly long compared to the norm, but if people want it and Nexon decides we need it I won't mind that. If they manage to mess up server data, they'd just roll back to a server-data-state made prior to the maintenance (a rollback point which would need to be made before they perform a merge maintenance).
1. It seems people are forcing the ideology of this thread down our throats. They think only about themselves or their server on this topic. Even then, people on their servers are also bound to disagree, sooo..
2. I rather not be forced to merge servers and deal with much more people. I actually like having a smaller amount of population. If I wanted/needed others, I would simply change to channel 2 (Mari's busier channel)
3. Although not confirmed this would happen, I don't want to lose a single thing I've earned throughout the years I have been playing Mabi.
4. I'm worried about my computer and internet. I'm lucky enough that I can handle a busy Belvast on Ch 2 Mari. I'd rather not bother with anything more than that, thanks.
5. Our economy is already all over the place. -_-
As somebody from Mari, I'm also against this. Don't speak for the whole population of Mari OR the other servers!
or make game more solo-player friendly
or start providing server transfer services so people that don't like their servers can move
You can report me, I honestly don't care.
But anyways, I understand where you're coming from with all of your points. However, you should try to understand where we are coming from as well with our servers. Having half the active population of Alexina, it's very sad. It is desperation at this point, tbh.
Mabinogi is not in the best state right now, and it hasn't been for a while. I personally think a merge would bring some life back into the game itself. That's what I care more about: the atmosphere like it used to be.
You make it seem like they're going to delete all inactive accounts.
If those 'offline' accounts still plays then eventually they'll be on active players meter. Calculating average active player % for a month would be fair.
As you say 'earth isn't flat' so there's very rare chance that 'all the players are going to login all at once and overpopulate the server' and that's why I want to follow the active players meter.
No one said your opinion doesn't matter; and I did read all of your other points(not counting inactive players, merging channels, etc)and commented them, but you're the one who keep saying 'This thread is pointless because it's been officially denied,it's been going on since 2009 and it needs to stop' which is....you're denying other people's opinion yourself. I said don't view this thread if you hate it for no logical reason.
What kind of internet/computer do you have if you can barely handle that....?
Desperation is why this thread exists. Also more people leave then people join(for various reason you stated), so community is bound to decline...
Merging has nothing to do with engine, but adding contents is. Those incidents seem like they happened long time ago- and I rather not judge them with something happened that long ago.
A lot of people don't know this but...DevCAT no longer even takes care of mabi since god knows when. However they successfully did server merge without DevCAT, even at korea where population is much bigger than ours.
Yes, your personal belief is that it will bring some life back. It may not, though.
What works for Korea won't neccessarily work for us. Korea probably has better equipment since the game is more popular over there, for one thing. They certainly have a much larger flow of cash than NA does.
So, unless the Koreans come over here to personally code the server merge themselves, "they successfully did server merge without DevCAT, even at korea where population is much bigger than ours" means absolutely nothing, and does not reflect in any such way the ability to successfully do it over here, since the people who would most likely do the coding are the people here, who I do not trust at ALL.
Hardmuscle's "hatred" of this topic is justified; no matter how many times these requests have led to nothing (Nexon even once publically said that a server merge will not happen) people still beg for one. Its like beating a dead horse with another dead horse.
Then again, it is hard to gauge other servers that I'm not on.
On Mari, it may not be as populous as it once was, but no where have I seen desperation of people leaving en masse or talk of server merging to save everyone.
Why do the two of you (or you) spend so much time playing a game you despise? Perhaps the two of you (or you) should go play a different game, permanently. As for the reports, I said formally (as opposed to in this forum) and the both of you (or you) can consider it done. Your actions from this point forward (both in the forum and in the game) will determine the outcome. ~ I don't recall asking if you cared or not.
Putting words in my mouth doesn't change a thing here. Closing the door is not about deleting accounts. It's about making the game unavailable because everyone has been squeezed together like sardines on one server, which at some point will become too full to accommodate the existing (as opposed to non-existing) userbase. Requiring Nexon to replace what you spent the last 9 years begging them to remove. ~ Define redundant.
While nobody knows who will take care that kind of stuff(coding,merging server etc)
Complaining that 'this thread is old' is unfair for people who joined later - not everyone has been around here forever. Also, things change, like *cough* population of game.....I bet 2017 is definitely very different from 2009.
I already know suggesting anything to Nexon is beating a dead horse. I don't expect anything but I do support this.
No I don't hate this game I just don't like having not enough people all the time ^^ You don't have right to tell someone to play different game. Your point is only legit....if there were enough people to make server completely full. I'd understand if you were only against mega server.
I did not contextually tell you to "play a different game". I implied, if you despise the game so much then perhaps you should go play a different game, permanently; (if the shoe fits; wear it). My opinion is legit all of the time; as is every other opinion on this forum (let that sink in).
There seems to be a communication problem here. ~ This thread is not about Hardmuscle's opinion, or your opinion of Hardmuscle's opinion, or Hardmuscle's opinion of your opinion of Hardmuscle's opinion, or anybody else's opinion of anyone's opinion. This is not an opinion party.
This thread is a Nine-Year-Old (dead-on-arrival) debate. It remains open (as opposed to locked) only as a place to merge its own restoration in to (each time it's restored by someone who can't comprehend no). If there was only 1 channel on Mari, Tarlach, and Ruairi (or you weren't playing when you know the USA is asleep for the most part), there'd be more than enough people to serve you; and yes yes, I am aware that the game is open to more than just the USA, but this does not change the fact that the servers are in the USA. I say "serve you" because, the level of thought (or lack of it) being applied here is assuming, 'others must be here to cater for everyone else'.. and that is not the case. You are basing your entire "judgement" on only the visible population (each and every time you make the judgement) and not once acknowledging those who aren't being included (accounted for; even rightfully), due to being offline for any length of time (be it 5 years, 5 months, 5 weeks, 5 days, or 5 minutes).
You and this cult (the server-merge-groupies) can't exactly say, "a user's non-presence around you (when you deem they must be present to serve you, on the spot) is indicative of inactivity warranting a merge of servers"; let alone a loss of all hope by anyone other than yourselves.
Woah, don't put words in my mouth. I've played this game since 2008. I don't despise it, quite the opposite in fact. It's probably my all-time favorite game. I have so many amazing memories on this game, I love it.
I just don't think it's in a good state right now, and I want it to be the best it can be. I have never once said I dislike it.
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You assumed that I hate the game, even after I said I don't.
Other people aren't here to serve or cater for others. However, this is MMO that certainly needs party play at some point- and gives penalty for playing solo. They made this game that people 'require' other people to enjoy contents. Therefore large playerbase is desirable because it helps to find people with same interest.
That certain time period when server feels active does exist- but it's not that long. For having players from various time zone, various life style (not everyone lives same), this feels very limited. I know game server is in North America, but it does not mean that they shouldn't care for others. That's why people are so angry with Watermelon event.
If those 'offline players' you are mentioning plays enough to count in 'visible userbase- (regardless of whether 'I' see them or not)' yes they are contributing in 'active players meter'. If they don't, I don't know why you are caring so much for those who 'quit' and probably not come back for god knows when- whether it be now,tomorrow, a week from now, a month, a year, or forever. The one who plays matters.
And no, channel merge will massively harm playerbase and bring no good at all;
1. There aren't barely any players to gather from other channels.
2. Lack of farming/training place
3. Sale of daily limited item from npcs (Ducat shop, Cooking dungeon pass, etc)
4. Dragons and field bosses - they only spawn one in one channel. You're asking those servers to have one dragon each per day.
5. Some people like playing in other channels because they like playing solo/ less lag/ training skills etc. If they wanted people to play with they'd switch to busiest channel. Merging channels will just force bring those who don't want other people. Not to even mention anger and frustration generated from lack of space....
6. When channel crash happens, people have option to change channel and play the game. If there's only one channel per server, they don't have option to cc.
7. Changing channel solves most of the glitches. (Fighter glitch, Location glitch, Npc glitch, Dressing room glitch)
People would have to log off if they didn't have option to cc.
Obviously merging all channels to 1 would bring all these problems + possibly more.
Aw, I'm so sorry I don't have a good computer/internet like you, princess.
" People who put a lot of time and money into the game Vs People who just want to see other people with a merge because the game is dying.
I have characters on all servers but Mari
Alexina is fine within its own right. most toxic people, much traffic, its fine as is. it doesn't need to be pushed with someone.
I could say the same for Ruairi it has some sort of balance to it. I still see new players come in and stay in for the most part, old players just come in, and leave back out for another year
Tarlach is often the best for new players in my opinion, hell some people gave me a starter kit axe,armor and a few other things. most kindness anyone has shown me in-game.
I don't have knowledge on Mari to tell you about.
i think if anyone has to merge its Mari and Tarlach-- We don't need a mega server just 2 servers that need a pick-me-up. Mari needs to merge with someone
I can see where people are coming from when they wanna keep everything they have, i get that-- i also get that people want to see some new faces instead of old. Im not tec savy and seeing how it would work-- I want to say yes on a server merge -- No to a mega they just need to do something about peoples items and the name and blah blah.
I'd say that i'm For servers merge but i think the game doesn't need it now, I mean it does. They'll need to tell us whats going to happen if we ever had one first then go by what the community thinks
No on merge and no on Mega
I remember back in 08 when i could barely log in sometimes because events crazy times.