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Advancement Test Tips and Tricks

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  • Gaby5011Gaby5011
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    Not all of us live in California and have Google Fiber internet. The massive lag we get in this game makes some dan tests nearly impossible for some people... Dan should be made easier or at least not as lag dependent.
    Imaizumi
  • HardmuscleHardmuscle
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    Gaby5011 wrote: »
    Not all of us live in California and have Google Fiber internet. The massive lag we get in this game makes some dan tests nearly impossible for some people... Dan should be made easier or at least not as lag dependent.
    I'm not entirely convinced these things are as lag dependent as people say or seem to believe. It's a great excuse and a popular one at that, but not a very proven one. It would be more fair to judge if devCAT actually used TCP_NODELAY in Mabinogi; as most modern games do (taking the responsibility of Disabling Nagle's Algorithm away from the user; as it should be, because -- how many people would know what that is if it weren't for this ironic circumstance? .. don't answer that; I think I already know). :smirk:

    TheNyanCat
  • PolicromaPolicroma
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    Gaea wrote: »
    Ugh!!! 11888 so freaking close to Dan 3 combat mastery. FML!!!

    This has been my experience all week trying to get my second Dan 3 for Magnum. LOL

    So close yet so far....
  • lceCreamlceCream
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    any tips on combat mastery?
  • IyasenuIyasenu
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    lceCream wrote: »
    any tips on combat mastery?

    Only general tips.
    Dan other skills first so they're more effective and make it slightly easier to get points.
    Hope you can get groups of enemies close together in a way that you can windmill them all for good points.
    Try to get to the bonus round ASAP.
  • lceCreamlceCream
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    Iyasenu wrote: »
    lceCream wrote: »
    any tips on combat mastery?

    Only general tips.
    Dan other skills first so they're more effective and make it slightly easier to get points.
    Hope you can get groups of enemies close together in a way that you can windmill them all for good points.
    Try to get to the bonus round ASAP.

    does it matter if i'm an elf
  • IyasenuIyasenu
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    lceCream wrote: »
    Iyasenu wrote: »
    lceCream wrote: »
    any tips on combat mastery?

    Only general tips.
    Dan other skills first so they're more effective and make it slightly easier to get points.
    Hope you can get groups of enemies close together in a way that you can windmill them all for good points.
    Try to get to the bonus round ASAP.

    does it matter if i'm an elf

    Maybe.
    Some of the skills have lower damage % multipliers as an Elf, so ranking them up might be even more important.
    If it boosts the skill's damage to help you get through waves faster, ranking it should help.
  • RaintheswordRainthesword
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    So guys how do you do Charge Dan, I get Multi-aggroed, plucked out of a mid charge by smash or hit by a lightning bolt that cancels my charge so is there a method or am I waiting for the Rng gods ?
  • BuffalosBuffalos
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    Hardmuscle wrote: »
    I'm not entirely convinced these things are as lag dependent as people say or seem to believe. It's a great excuse and a popular one at that, but not a very proven one.

    I had a few times where I would get a lag spike in the Sand Burst exams, which ended up making me unable to blind the blinker spawn that just happened and then getting blinker beam'd into a corner for everything to smack me. Had to suck up my lost funds and try again each time this happened.
    In a more general sense, every second counts in all of the combat-based exams. If you lose too much time to being unable to move, you lose your chance at getting the score you need.
  • PanPan
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  • HardmuscleHardmuscle
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    edited September 27, 2017
    @Buffalos ~ I wasn't saying lag does not exist, or that no one experiences lag. I'm more or less implying I don't believe any of this depends on a zero lag connection (no lag at all) to be done (despite the number of stories from folks who'd like you to believe you need to be in S. Korea). :)
    @Pan
    Pan wrote: »
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    Even your mods didn't save you. Lol.

  • PanPan
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    Hardmuscle wrote: »
    @Buffalos ~ I wasn't saying lag does not exist, or that no one experiences lag. I'm more or less implying I don't believe any of this depends on a zero lag connection (no lag at all) to be done (despite the number of stories from folks who'd like you to believe you need to be in S. Korea). :)
    @Pan
    Pan wrote: »
    xJZPn.jpg
    Even your mods didn't save you. Lol.

    Not sure what mods have to do with advancement tests.
  • HardmuscleHardmuscle
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    edited September 27, 2017
    Pan wrote: »
    Not sure what mods have to do with advancement tests.
    Tell me again how modified fonts reduce lag. :smirk:

    Pan
  • PanPan
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    edited September 27, 2017
    Hardmuscle wrote: »
    Pan wrote: »
    Not sure what mods have to do with advancement tests.
    An ignorant trollish response wont save you either. Try again sir. Tell me again how modified fonts reduce lag.

    The purpose of modified font is to reduce the lag from opening the windows/chat log/etc. It doesn't serve any purpose in this case because I am simply just pressing a skill and running around shooting things. Anyone can do this, I believe you can too I hope.
  • HardmuscleHardmuscle
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    edited September 27, 2017
    Pan wrote: »
    Hardmuscle wrote: »
    Pan wrote: »
    Not sure what mods have to do with advancement tests.
    An ignorant trollish response wont save you either. Try again sir. Tell me again how modified fonts reduce lag.

    The purpose of modified font is to reduce the lag from opening the windows/chat log/etc. It doesn't serve any purpose in this case because I am simply just pressing a skill and running around shooting things. Anyone can do this, I believe you can too I hope.
    I know the purpose of modified fonts in Mabinogi. I'm not exactly new at this or anything. :smirk:

    I'm addicted to placebos. ~ I would quit taking them, but I don't think it'd make a difference.

  • BuffalosBuffalos
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    edited September 27, 2017
    Hardmuscle wrote: »
    I wasn't saying lag does not exist, or that no one experiences lag. I'm more or less implying I don't believe any of this depends on a zero lag connection (no lag at all) to be done (despite the number of stories from folks who'd like you to believe you need to be in S. Korea). :)

    I personally haven't done the dual gun exams yet, but from what I understand you do need to be able to use the skills as often as possible while also having the AoE skills actually aim properly. And when you don't have enough targets to AoE efficiently, you need to be able to dispatch them ASAP. Normal attacks with dual guns are notoriously slower in NA than Korea, presumably due to connection stuff, so perhaps that could make a more direct impact on test performance outside lag spiking?
    Side note: why does quoting other posts not remove any @ mentions in the original? I got an extra in this thread because of quoted text.
  • HardmuscleHardmuscle
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    edited September 27, 2017
    Buffalos wrote: »
    Hardmuscle wrote: »
    I wasn't saying lag does not exist, or that no one experiences lag. I'm more or less implying I don't believe any of this depends on a zero lag connection (no lag at all) to be done (despite the number of stories from folks who'd like you to believe you need to be in S. Korea). :)

    I personally haven't done the dual gun exams yet, but from what I understand you do need to be able to use the skills as often as possible while also having the AoE skills actually aim properly. And when you don't have enough targets to AoE efficiently, you need to be able to dispatch them ASAP. Normal attacks with dual guns are notoriously slower in NA than Korea, presumably due to connection stuff, so perhaps that could make a more direct impact on test performance outside lag spiking?
    Side note: why does quoting other posts not remove any @ mentions in the original? I got an extra in this thread because of quoted text.
    South Korean citizens do in fact have faster more reliable connections between their client and server (compared to us) and they can test these things in a near-to-zero lag environment. I think if Mabinogi were coded differently (with respect to optimizing network efficiency), we'd see less talk about this in the USA. The additional @mentions (outside of quotes) are due to my manually placing them there, because quoting a person doesn't notify them of the occurrence (they're told a post was made, but not told they were mentioned in it).

  • RaintheswordRainthesword
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    SO IF I USE ALL CAPS WILL SOMEONE TELL ME HOW TO PASS CHARGE DAN, I GET SNIPED MULTI AGGRO,SNIPED WITH MAGIC, DISPLACEMENT TELEPORTING ME, CHARGE MAGICALLY CANCELING ON ITS OWN. I CAN BARELY SCRAP 5k POINTS IF RNG IS WILLING TO BE THAT GENEROUS, SOMEONE GOT ADVICE?
  • GTCvActiumGTCvActium
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    So guys how do you do Charge Dan, I get Multi-aggroed, plucked out of a mid charge by smash or hit by a lightning bolt that cancels my charge so is there a method or am I waiting for the Rng gods ?

    After dumping a total of 3-4m into dan 3 charge, I have finally obtained charge. For the record I'm a human player. First and foremost, if you have lag of any kind most likely you will fail. (Both my attempts were photo finishes, 12300 points and 12010 respectively). You will encounter every issue with charge in this dan test, intentional or otherwise (displacement puts me in range for charge, then moves me too clsoe for charge, then moves me back with a opps). For both my successes I never reached the 3rd wave (where the archers are) because they do way too much damage even when using charge and the fighters have a hard-on for knocking me out mid-charge. One thing I should note is that I had to use every lag reducing measure I had access to including using a direct line to my router, altering MTU and experimenting with VPN. This will be useful.

    For the first wave the moment they spawn, charge spam the gremlins until they die and hope that any gargoyles that aggro you are in counter mode or def mode. Once the 4 gremlins are dead, aim for the largest cluster of gargoyles and use wm to reduce their HPs, ideally if you can manage to get them down to 30-40% that would be ideal. also, ensure that you only actively attack only 1 gargoyle (the one that had the !! over their heads), wm is fine because it will not set them all on you right away. If the gargoyles !! aggro you, they will use skills and are generally aggressive. Ones that only notice you (!) will occasionally melee swing you at random (I hate these with a passion). Once you have a good number of gargoyles at lower HPs, spam charge them to death, ensure that your next target aggros you without any of the others going aggressive. Some tips, if you hit a ping, wait, just let them melee swing you. Their knockback puts you just outside of charge's minimum range so you can load charge while flying back and immediately rush into the gargoyle. You can also do this if the gargoyle has defense loaded, use wm if it had counter. Once all the gargoyles are dead the swords and wisps will spawn.

    Your first course of action is attack the swords and kill them via charge spam as fast as possible. If you get horrible luck and a wisp is now actively hunting and attacking you, use other skills to kill swords as fast as possible, but DO NOT ENGAGE ANY OF THE OTHER WISPS BESIDES THE ONE ATTACKING YOU. Once the swords are dead spam charge the wisp. Here's where the lag reducing measures come into play. Since the wisps are rather tanky, you will most likely push them into the wall, you can still charge spam them, but you run the risk of them using normal attack (for me 9 times out of 10 they will break charge). If your delay is just low enough, you may be able to reach charge's minimum range to charge again before their stun wears off. Do this to obtain the required points.

    Some final notes, at the half way mark (2.30 sec) you should have a min of 5k points, anything less will mean you won't gather enough points. if you have 6k or over at the half way mark, you're doing super just keep charge spamming. If you have the chance, grab stam pots whenever possible. Do not let it go under 500 stam or else you will lose momentum when you suddenly run out of stam. If you are in a good position, lack stam pots, and have low HP, let them kill you and just tank the 100 points and 10 secs for a full restoration of your stats (ideally used when your stam was naturally low anyways).
    RaintheswordImaizumi
  • logomyegologomyego
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    Hardmuscle wrote: »
    @Buffalos ~ I wasn't saying lag does not exist, or that no one experiences lag. I'm more or less implying I don't believe any of this depends on a zero lag connection (no lag at all) to be done (despite the number of stories from folks who'd like you to believe you need to be in S. Korea).

    Just gonna say that lag plays a huge role in the magic bolt skills. Firebolt is forgiving, but Lightning bolt and ice bolt don't charge or cast fast enough with lag. I followed that guide for it to a T and come up 2k points short. Every. Single. Time. Everything else I've done is fine, but those horrible bolts....
    Hardmuscle
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