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Am i the only one tired if this gambling simulator that mabinogi is becoming lately?
Do you remember the last time we could just spend like 7-10$ in a shopping bag and get what we wanted right away?
Because holy **** people is spending like 10 to 75$+ for a bunch of potions, tailoring materials and dyes nowadays...
We could have stopped this gatcha thing ever since day one, but people never got united and just encouraged this gambling practice over and over untill this day.
EDIT: There is no doubt that gacha is a solid money maker to keep the game alive, but the problem is that the RNG is terrible, If the gacha says for example: "Wing Gachapon" then getting a pair of wings should be a 100% chance + 1 extra item from the list maybe, but people can buy 10+ of those gachas and dont get any wings.
One solution for this it would be to get rid of most of the junk items like, potions, dyes, etc... and only leave the important items that actually match the gachapon's name: Wing gachapons only have wings, Fashion gachapons only have clothings in it and so on.
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Beach Party and Summer Vacation outfit bags
I do miss the yearly halloween and christmas outfit sets we could directly buy though. Mabi has gone very downhill when it comes to that
DIRECTLY BUYABLE Shopping Bags.
Not in a gacha.
Not in a "shuffle".
Directly Buyable.
Is what you want in a bag? No? Zero purchase.
Yes? You buy one. At all.
Compared to gacha, it looks terrible in the eyes of a business.
Which is what an MMO is.
As I said in a past topic:
Now, if we want to talk about a change from gacha that could actually work...
VIP looks really outdated right about now.
HINT HINT
Now let's see if anyone actually makes it to this part before tearing me a new one. For the record I voted for "Yes, No more gambling" (sic) but here is the thing. How do you replace the actual mountain of money that Nexon makes off their gachas? I don't have any stats on how much they make but in STO, the figure of $2,000,000 a day was estimated in revenue off their version of gamble boxes when the new boxes dropped. If we say Nexon makes half that, how do we replace $1,000,000 in revenue a day off of gachas? Granted the revenue rate is probably less because of the sheer rate of new gachas, which is every 2 weeks. In STO, it was every 3 months.
Still, the point stands that Nexon most likely makes more money off of gamble boxes and shopping bags probably won't make as much because of their very natures. I like the shopping bags. I pay x and know I am getting y for sure. However, because I am assured I am getting y, I will only buy 2 bags, maybe 4 of them. I have no idea how much shopping bags are but let's think big. $20 a bag. Let's say I bought 4 because they were M and F sets and I have a sister who also plays. That's $80 from me on a shopping bag that came out and I have all the pieces. Let's say it's a 4 piece set giving each piece a value of $5. Pretty fair, I think, for a bit of digital cosmetic clothing.
Now in a gamble box I need to buy at least 8 gamble boxes, at $1.50 each. That would cost me a mere $12. If I am stupid lucky I get all 8 pieces that I need and save $68. However, because of the gamble nature of the gachas, my chances of getting the item I want is stupidly low. I could maybe understand it if it was a physical good and that good was expensive to make, but this is digital. I know there are artist and programming costs but artificial rarity at the level that Nexon takes it is a bit much.
Again, in STO, their lockboxes have a 0.5% chance at the single large ticket item in them which is usually a space ship. Nexon has clothing. And an actual mountain of crap items. There are 45 big ticket items in the latest gacha. If we assume an equal chance for each of them that is 2.2% chance of each item. Now add in the 84 other items that are listed. That's 129 items with 0.77% chance of getting any given item assuming everything is weighted evenly.
Two gachas ago, the one with the Imperial Prince and Princess clothing, I bought 191 gachas for me and my sister to open. 191. At the end of all that I still had to find someone who was selling the Long Imperial Prince outfit because in 191 tries, we didn't get it. Out of that 191 pile I got about 10 big ticket items. If I could have bought a shopping bag I would have since they tell me what they are giving me but lacking that option I gambled. Nexon made way more money from me because of their gamble box than hypothetical $20 shopping bag.
Lastly, I would like to call @Gaea and @Sherri to double check my numbers because I have been told that they can count and want to be doubly sure about my figures. We need our professional counters around here to help out after all.
Long story short, the gamble boxes are terrible but they make way too much money for companies to ever stop doing.
Also lets get some facts straight. Gacha is not a scam. You are not promised you will get the best items if you buy the gacha, You still get SOMETHING. A scam would be you buy something and get NOTHING Like the thing is completely empty. Before you throw the word scam around please learn what it means. Also There is NO danger to doing gacha, you make the choice, the company doesn't force you or threaten you to buy it.
Yes, I do miss outfit bags, those were nice, they are still around sometimes. But Gacha is the same thing you have being doing your whole life and is not a scam and poses no danger.
My only issue with the gachupons is.. The drop rate.. Anything new seems much harder to get, but something old is easy, I wish it all was just equal.
So RNG stuff always drives me off, just because of the possibility of me not getting what I want.
The usually big possibility.
And they don't seem to be cooling it with the RNG stuff.
Gacha with items.
Pet Boxes with pets.
Then there's those Shuffle things.
They make a lot of money, mostly because of a handful of HUGE buyers, but they just aren't the kind of thing I go for.
Shopping Bags
Pet Sales
Packages
Bundles
Or those weird combinations that sometimes happen, like the Night Sweeper you could get bundled with the Night Witch/Mage Shopping Bags.
Those are the kinds of things I like to see in the shop.
In fact, we had one back in July that was interesting.
The Beachwear and Baltane chairs things.
Could buy any of the individual boxes, or get a Box that had one of everything, plus a Shuan chair as a bonus.
It's not like the directly buyable sales never happen...
I just wish we had them more often.
Something should be done, but I doubt it will be because this is just how gacha works in KR most likely, and they aren't about to change it just to make NA feel better. All we can hope is that maybe KR's server and all the other servers get fed up with this in unison to the point where barely anyone buys gacha, and then true change will happen. But who knows.
There have never ever been items of that high tier before in shopping bags.
and nothing will be done because nothing harmful is being done. It's the players own fault if they spend 200$ on RNG and get nothing. The same applies for real life also. Looking back at pokemon cards, not everyone spend like 20$ and got that first edition Charizard holo card. There is no harm being doing because the company is not hurting anyone. No one forces anyone to buy gacha, so you can't blame the company at all. They want money, they will get money, there will never be enough people to tire out or become fed up, to warrant a change to gacha because in the end all it is, is pointless whining about choosing to spend their own money and not getting the new shiny thing. It's the harsh truth but it is in the truth.
Nobody makes you spend hundreds on gacha. As long as the item I'm after drops for *SOMEBODY*, I can get it. The only thing that makes me angry is when Nexon messes with the odds to the point that the items people are after cannot be obtained reasonably, which in general sours people toward gachas. Nexon seems to have gotten the picture and relaxed on those odds since summer.
If the odds are decent, I'm good. And regardless of anyone's personal wins or losses, I'm seeing wings everywhere with the most recent gacha, which implies odds are good and people are buying. If the average Mabi player is happy, nothing is going to change. The best we can hope for is that Nexon keeps the gacha odds good and doesn't try to pull anything too stupid.
I also think it's funny how people get so mad at monster urns and wonder why Mabi keeps bringing them back. Well, when this one came out, me and some other randoms were opening them and fighting the monsters and having a darn good time. Before the other randoms came along, I had a good time soloing red dragons. As silly as it may seem, they are actually fun if you stop to fight the monsters. And with full gambler's fallacy disclosure, I felt luckier while opening them.
and let's not forget that ultimately there's also the eweca orb, style tab and reforges. I think those already cover most of the expenses nexon makes for mabi, especially reforges. anywayz. these are my 2 dead bees concerning the whole gacha discussion, so don't bash please
Oh stop being so mad. Jesus.
That's what you get since you are a cool bean.
It's immodest for me to gamble by trying to obtain things the other way.