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Closed More Balanced Elves?
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Indeed. And irrelevant.
I am pretty sure Julie is hoping to reignite the old debate on Elves and their place in game, but I don't think there is much to argue about.
As an elf, I find it difficult to die if I exercise a modicum of sense. Usually, fireballs and hardhitting mobs put me down. (Rabbie Phantasm?)
youre both missing the point of this thread, i made it to create a discussion about elves, its not solely about my opinions.
do you both fear discussions that much that you need to shut someone else down because you think they cant gain knowledge or hear opinions from others like threads like these?
Do you have any valid complaints?
the " - " helps those with dyslexia, its become a habit.
and a lot of people before have argued that elves would be suited for support because archery was more of a support thing for them.
not to mention that a lot of their exclusive quirks also tend to be useful situationally, though im not sure how things work these days and what missions or quests do work these days things like mounted archery wasnt all that great when you were trapped inside a tiny room, but i think the worst offense is when luck became a factor in your chances of hitting.
but hey i think the balance line at this point is so blurred in the game because i dont think devcat bothered doing much balancing in the last years that you just cant tell what would be balanced
and also reforges is the all mighty answer to everything similar to how people say that it was because "god made it" while trying to discover a scientific answer to things.
the top endgame is rolling a bunch of dices to reach the top rather than working your way there.
at least give human able to shot when riding pet.
str-dex = puppet
str-int = gun
str-will = ninja
wtf dex-luck = chain !!!!!!!!!!!!!
what logic is being apply?
str-int = gun
what logic is that? do you need str to throw your bullets harder?
And also... Do you need intelligence to pull the trigger? Chain Dex + Luck combo actually makes a lot of sense to be honest...
also it looks like devkitty is avoiding int-dex skillsets, must be because they hate elves or something
even without Magnum (y'all been relying on that too much)
What I DO wanna see is some magic update for elves.
As I said above, the poll you made says otherwise.
and
the poll i made was a light hearted approach
now lets stick to the topic.
So my opinion can be wrong, but your's can't because the second someone says anything about it you just go FAKE NEWS WRONG...
You also just can't say "The poll was lighthearted" when it's a debate/discussion on game balance and you open with that.
Pre reforges they were fine, after reforges they were even better there hasn't been a single point in mabi I can think of that elves have been weak. Early on yes, we don't have a button to hit then drool on ourselves like humans do with final hit, but once you stop doing shadow wiz you can't just final hit everything.
I havent even sided on which part of this matter am i on at all so how in the world can you even argue that i have an outdated opinion. If something i say happens to be old and outdated then thats when you should start correcting me, because this thread is not about if i still play or not, that is irrelevant.
Now the reason why i would hate on reforges is due to the fact that this for the longest time has been used as the excuse for accepting the flaws of balance in this game, even though they require for you to purely rely on luck for hundreds of possible bonuses you could possibly get from them, and for the most part thats just pretty lame....
in my opinion of course. But if people feel a sense of pride and accomplishment with that who am i to judge?
so good at baiting
a master, even
anyone curious of why this thread exist most likely a mix of nostalgia and depression paired with denial, just an average day really
We should break this down.
1-Humans are just god tier at everything.
2-Giants became their own class, and they are now actually viable and fun to play, you can even be very strong mages, and they are the strongest gunners.
3-Elf's Only excel at Chain slash(not by much) and Archery. Their magnum spam along with Urgent shot is super great and deadly. Humans get AR, but Urgent shot doesn't benefit humans very well.
Elf's just need a whole new design. They need to go back, and redesign them and make them more unique. Don't buff them like giants got buffed, instead they need to just rework the entire race. All they are, is a much weaker looking human with slightly slender look and longer ears.
This is how it needs to go, and there is zero arguing it.
Giants - Excel at all hand to hand combat, like close combat, knight, fighter and Ninja.
They should fail at Archery(which they do) and therefore fail at puppeteer(which they do)
They should also be weak with magic(which they are not) and in turn made them the strongest gunners.
Humans - A balance of everything, which they are and maybe more.. lol
Elfs - Need to excel at Range(which they do but only with 1 skill (2 if you want to count Urgent shot) and Magic.
They don't excel at magic, magic is very universal and pretty much is equal across the board for all races.
Range in it's self is broken, mainly the early game and mid game. Their end game is "OP" some would say, but I would argue that and say that it's only OP with going nuts on reforges.
Simple fix -
Rework elf's as a whole(race)
Fix Archery for early and mid game by taking some power from end game and adding it back into the early and mid game.
To be honest, it would be a lot better if archery just got a proper over haul.
Give Elf's a boost when it comes to range and magic.
Let elf's become what they were meant to be (which was Mages and archers)
lmao
I have yet to see a bohemian glove with lvl 20 mag for 10m. And not 100m.