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The lootbox/Gacha problem
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How long has this game been out? 2004?(I apologize if I'm wrong on the year).
If I remember correctly, via bank card, the most you can spend is like... $100?(or something along the lines of that) every month.
so if a person who isn't capable of stopping at $100 would then go to the store and buy KarmaKoin Cards.
It would then be their fault, since most people would stop at $100 a month(for reasons like: too lazy to go to the store to get more, etc).
We shouldn't blame Nexon for this, as they aren't the only people who do this type of thing, when it comes to spending money, IMVU does it, any franchise does it, Wizard101(pirate101 too), other anime MMORPG's do it too!
So honestly, none of us should be complaining about it.
The lootboxes/gatchas in mabi will still be legal for it IS indeed an optional thing.
the game has been released in the US in 2008, lootboxes/gachas were also meant to be a thing for f2p only games atleast with what nexon intended, people arent fighting back about this either because well, many games have been indeed shafted due to the prioritization of lootboxes, mabinogi included
but that said the last few years lootboxes have been appearing in many $60 mainstream games and it has done a good job of upsetting people.
now lootboxes and gachas that cost irl money in direct or in skme indirect way arent going to be illegal, theyre just gonna be restricted to adult games.
Thank you for correcting me on the year, I was close x'D
As for games that FORCE you to buy lootboxes in order to progress through the game then those would be for ages 21+
BUT for ones that are optional and don't force you to buy should be for everyone.
I'm not even 21 yet, if it ends up being that way for ones that are optional I wont have fun with gatchas /:
I'm very responsible with my money (i do $25-$50 every month or so, sometimes longer since I do bills and food first) and would be slightly upsetting for me /: I'd literally have to have older friends of mine buy stuff for me(giving them my money to do so) on their account in order for me to even try and enjoy a little "gambling".
Besides, if it happens, what will mabi do? majority of people who play are middle/highschoolers and some college students who are under the age OF 21, therefore money will lower for mabi's shop, and items like clothes would probably sky-rocket even more in prices since a good majority of people wont be able to test their luck.
technically speaking most of those games with lootboxes are always pretty much just optional already.
Yeah, "technically" but still, there are games that do force it which is probably why this thread is happening.
This. All this.
well, what is forcing lootboxes to you? is it the ones that still give you content from them as you play it? (regardless how ridiculously long that would take like battlefront 2)
or the kind that makes content exclusive to lootboxes? (gachas in mabinogi actually do this)
The trading card game is a good argument because there are people who are VERY heavily invested in trading cards. Infact to the point that people have whole youtube accounts to opening full boxes of pokemon cards and getting nothing. No, really I am being serious. One just has to type into youtube 'pokemon card opening' and they will be flooded with hundreds of people who spend all their money on pokemon cards and end up with nothing, and still they don't complain because they didnt get anything.
Yes, people can go to card shops and buy the one card they want for triple the price of one 10$ card pack. If nexon was to do that. The player base would complain even more. Like for example. Pay 30$ for one pair of wings, 15$ for one outfit, 10$ for stack of training potions. People would complain so much because then if they can't afford NX, they would need to spend millions ingame to get what they wanted. And the prices wouldn't be prettym they would cost more likey 60-80m were as of late, most gacha wings have been 15m. And most outfits havent been more expensive.
Nexon isn't taking advantage of players also because they put a cap on how much you can spend per month, same with PCgame supply. (My limit on my PCgame supply account is 800$ per month)
The company shouldn't suffer because people can't control themselves with it comes to virtual items. Besides, if you have 'control' issues when it comes to money, then I doubt people have a stable job and more likley leeching of the government or parents. In that case, their parents should stop giving them money, or maybe they should have their funding taken away because they anyone who spends ALL their goverment funding on gaming needs to be monitored or get off their bum, get therapy and get help.
Now obviously just slapping a 'you must be this old to play' label on these games is naive and misses the point entirely, because predatory gaming arguably affects adults more than children. What I'd like to see is some self regulation by the gaming industry since they understand the medium better than politicians who've never picked up a controller in their lives. Making gacha rates fixed and public would be a good start, and so long as companies like Nexon were acting ethically it wouldn't hurt them. Of course even if you don't think companies should be held to any standard and should be allowed to sell whatever they want however they want soon it might actually come down to either self regulation or government regulation, so take your pick. Other countries are already regulating games like this.
I think if the law says gachas are now illegal, Nexon will recover because it's going to effect lots of games. Lots.
But I think it's stupid to make them illegal since Western and Democratic society are basically built on people purchasing things they don't need. You might as well make it illegal for there to be advertising, gumball machines, baseball cards, and peer pressure.
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In my opinion, forcing would be what EA did (made you have to buy in order to progress through the game), As long as I have the option to buy or not buy, and still be able to progress through the game, then I'm okay with loot-boxes/gachas being around, if i'm forced to do something, i wont bother playing it or doing it.
As for mabi and their exclusive items being in gachas, not everyone wants it, besides, do you know how expensive running a server/game is? Specially if you hire mods and people to help you with coding, just all of it is expensive(in my opinion) so having stuff like "gachas" around for people to spend their money on, helps creators make more and more games with the money spent.
yeah but EA never forced anything because you would still obtain them through playtime anyways and EA also has bills to pay to keep the servers running
(please dont kill me, im not trying to defend EA)
Then nothing would be rare. In fact, that would probably make that item the least rare item in the gacha. People don't like common items. They can't make money off them and therefore a lot of people won't buy the gacha.
And that's understandable that EA has bills too pay, but EA did do some forcing.
every server, game, coding, hell even people who don't do any of this, we all have bills to pay.
we have things that do indeed need to be paid, so I still don't see why people aren't happy about this now when people have ALWAYS done this.
Does anyone happen to remember There.com?
Even if nobody does, I do.
The people who made that "game"(more like a form of social media but with avatars and stuff, basically IMVU but 100x better) they ended up having to shut it down due to no funds coming in(a.k.a people weren't buying cards and items enough for them to continue funding the "game"), they ended up bringing it back up and renaming it, but now they force people to buy or do a monthly purchase in order to continue socializing and talking to friends.
I don't know the "new" name for it, and don't really care to know since I don't want to play it anyone(it's been years, I was like... 13 when I started playing it, and met some friends that I still talk too, today).
Point being, just don't play games if it'll force you to buy stuff, if you have the option to buy it or not buy it and still be able to play, then go for it.