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Multi-clienters ruining/abusing events

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  • HardmuscleHardmuscle
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  • IyasenuIyasenu
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    Hardmuscle wrote: »
    Iyasenu wrote: »
    Hardmuscle wrote: »
    Iyasenu wrote: »
    Hardmuscle wrote: »
    While I can't say it doesn't bother me to see "Player001", "Player002", "Player003", "Player004", "Player005", and "Player006" all doing something together; I do understand it's not all being done on a single machine. ~ Unless you want Nexon to limit us to one connection per household; this will never change.

    Amassing alts for events isn't new either. It's been happening since the game was first released, and they have taken steps to curb it, but those steps almost always lead to other problems (innocent people being banned for suspicion of things they were not guilty of). Too many holes.

    What do you mean by this?
    Maybe sometimes multiple machines are involved.
    But not always.

    This isn't an example I've seen from NA Mabi, but I've seen some videos of KR Mabi where a player had multiple windows of Mabi open, and was "soloing" Phantasm with 3 other dummy alts.
    Then, when he finished Phantasm, he just clicked the taskbar at the bottom to switch to the other instances of Mabi to make his alts drop their keys and take all the rewards for his main.
    If you could just click into different windows from the taskbar, doesn't that mean it's one machine?

    Can't imagine the computer specs to be able to run 4 separate instances of Mabi while still being able to solo Phantasm...
    And the connection to be able to react while having 4 simultaneous connections.

    Well, regardless, that's probably the most aggravating use of alts, to me.
    Running dummies through content to boost rewards well beyond what any other solo player could be getting.

    Sort of the same principal with running multiple accounts through events.


    Other than boosting the "must be total level XXX to participate" thing to higher levels, which risks alienating newbies (though not that much, given how quickly a sub-1000 account can level), just a better investigative presence could help.

    Actual GMs in-game moderating.

    Hey, a ban list like MapleStory has could be neat.
    If only to show that something's happening.
    NGS - Nexon Guard - Hackshield - Black Cipher (Whatever they decide to call it this week) is there to prevent more than one client from being ran on the same machine. There are very few ways to bypass these measures, and when they are bypassed they are researched heavily and patched when a fix is found.

    That being said, the vast majority of Multi-Client players are using more than one machine at the same location. In some cases, they may use as many as a hundred or more computers, each with their own IP address, at the same location (e.g. Chinese Gold Farmers [prisoners] forced to farm gold in games are a very real thing today). We can't assume this is the case for every brother and sister, mom and dad, uncle and aunt, who live at the same house and wish to play Mabinogi together.

    Yeah, you're right not to assume that for every case.

    Though you should still feel free to report someone playing Mabi with their friends and such with strangely similar or throwaway names, if something about it seems suspicious to you.

    It's only a problem if the investigation from reports are faulty.

    Sure, Eventchar01 through Eventchar07 could just be friends with a silly in-joke all running the same dungeon with their pal THEMAINMAN, who is decked out in cool equips, while the others wear 0 dura newbie wears and Robes.
    I mean, that's not out of the question, as hyperbolic as that sounds.

    But ya'know... sometimes.
    But it really comes down to Nexon's end, what comes of this whole situation.
    Whether it continues (bleh), ends well (offenders punished), or ends badly (innocents banned).

    Just more presence would be great.
    I don't even know if GMs are in-game outside of events, and insta-banning on sight without investigating would be bad, but... they could act like security guards.
    Ya'know like, the presence of them could deter stuff before it happens. In the sense that "you never know if there could be a GM right outside Taill's Altar, as you bring your menagerie of alts out of the mission you're solo-spamming".
    .. or .. instead of turning Mabinogi into "a game of cat and mouse" (by putting Guard GMs at different dungeons)... ; maybe instead it would be better to give these people a way to access these dungeons without a need for alts. -- Just a thought.

    What, like make 'Alby Advanced Hardmode" passes bring up a window similar to using Unrestricted Passes where you can choose "1 Player ~ 4 Player" versions?
    I mean, I don't think the majority of alt-carriers do it just to get into specific dungeons.
    I mean, I'm sure that it's just a happy coincidence that the version of AAHM that has 8 reward chests per dungeon requires 4 players, to the person who's running AAHM with three alts.
    But it's not like you need special party size requirements to enter, say, Phantasm.
    But that won't stop alt-runners from bringing their friends anyways.

    I mean, changing the way to access dungeons like you suggested would have the side effect of being more convenient for everyone, especially non-alt-carriers, but it doesn't change anything for the alt-runners spamming for many times the endchest/completion rewards.
    Hardmuscle
  • HardmuscleHardmuscle
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    edited January 28, 2019
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  • IyasenuIyasenu
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    Hardmuscle wrote: »
    Iyasenu wrote: »
    Hardmuscle wrote: »
    Iyasenu wrote: »
    Hardmuscle wrote: »
    Iyasenu wrote: »
    Hardmuscle wrote: »
    While I can't say it doesn't bother me to see "Player001", "Player002", "Player003", "Player004", "Player005", and "Player006" all doing something together; I do understand it's not all being done on a single machine. ~ Unless you want Nexon to limit us to one connection per household; this will never change.

    Amassing alts for events isn't new either. It's been happening since the game was first released, and they have taken steps to curb it, but those steps almost always lead to other problems (innocent people being banned for suspicion of things they were not guilty of). Too many holes.

    What do you mean by this?
    Maybe sometimes multiple machines are involved.
    But not always.

    This isn't an example I've seen from NA Mabi, but I've seen some videos of KR Mabi where a player had multiple windows of Mabi open, and was "soloing" Phantasm with 3 other dummy alts.
    Then, when he finished Phantasm, he just clicked the taskbar at the bottom to switch to the other instances of Mabi to make his alts drop their keys and take all the rewards for his main.
    If you could just click into different windows from the taskbar, doesn't that mean it's one machine?

    Can't imagine the computer specs to be able to run 4 separate instances of Mabi while still being able to solo Phantasm...
    And the connection to be able to react while having 4 simultaneous connections.

    Well, regardless, that's probably the most aggravating use of alts, to me.
    Running dummies through content to boost rewards well beyond what any other solo player could be getting.

    Sort of the same principal with running multiple accounts through events.


    Other than boosting the "must be total level XXX to participate" thing to higher levels, which risks alienating newbies (though not that much, given how quickly a sub-1000 account can level), just a better investigative presence could help.

    Actual GMs in-game moderating.

    Hey, a ban list like MapleStory has could be neat.
    If only to show that something's happening.
    NGS - Nexon Guard - Hackshield - Black Cipher (Whatever they decide to call it this week) is there to prevent more than one client from being ran on the same machine. There are very few ways to bypass these measures, and when they are bypassed they are researched heavily and patched when a fix is found.

    That being said, the vast majority of Multi-Client players are using more than one machine at the same location. In some cases, they may use as many as a hundred or more computers, each with their own IP address, at the same location (e.g. Chinese Gold Farmers [prisoners] forced to farm gold in games are a very real thing today). We can't assume this is the case for every brother and sister, mom and dad, uncle and aunt, who live at the same house and wish to play Mabinogi together.

    Yeah, you're right not to assume that for every case.

    Though you should still feel free to report someone playing Mabi with their friends and such with strangely similar or throwaway names, if something about it seems suspicious to you.

    It's only a problem if the investigation from reports are faulty.

    Sure, Eventchar01 through Eventchar07 could just be friends with a silly in-joke all running the same dungeon with their pal THEMAINMAN, who is decked out in cool equips, while the others wear 0 dura newbie wears and Robes.
    I mean, that's not out of the question, as hyperbolic as that sounds.

    But ya'know... sometimes.
    But it really comes down to Nexon's end, what comes of this whole situation.
    Whether it continues (bleh), ends well (offenders punished), or ends badly (innocents banned).

    Just more presence would be great.
    I don't even know if GMs are in-game outside of events, and insta-banning on sight without investigating would be bad, but... they could act like security guards.
    Ya'know like, the presence of them could deter stuff before it happens. In the sense that "you never know if there could be a GM right outside Taill's Altar, as you bring your menagerie of alts out of the mission you're solo-spamming".
    .. or .. instead of turning Mabinogi into "a game of cat and mouse" (by putting Guard GMs at different dungeons)... ; maybe instead it would be better to give these people a way to access these dungeons without a need for alts. -- Just a thought.

    What, like make 'Alby Advanced Hardmode" passes bring up a window similar to using Unrestricted Passes where you can choose "1 Player ~ 4 Player" versions?
    I mean, I don't think the majority of alt-carriers do it just to get into specific dungeons.
    I mean, I'm sure that it's just a happy coincidence that the version of AAHM that has 8 reward chests per dungeon requires 4 players, to the person who's running AAHM with three alts.
    But it's not like you need special party size requirements to enter, say, Phantasm.
    But that won't stop alt-runners from bringing their friends anyways.

    I mean, changing the way to access dungeons like you suggested would have the side effect of being more convenient for everyone, especially non-alt-carriers, but it doesn't change anything for the alt-runners spamming for many times the endchest/completion rewards.
    Maybe they should do away with chests entirely, and 'auto-insert' dungeon prizes to our inventories (perhaps base them on participation factors and restrictions, like damage dealt and total level).

    Heeey, there's a neato idea.

    One can dream, eh?
    Hardmuscle
  • ArjuneArjune
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    edited April 1, 2018
    idk why people are even surprised that the festia wings were gone within an hour.... most players (like me) had over 300 coins saved up to throw at that machine the instant the servers went up. and most payers (like me) walked away with something like 100 gift boxes and 70 prof hammers and 100-some full recovery pots. Obviously the 3 lucky people would eventually win the wings they had saved their coins 3 weeks for. You should not be surprised AT ALL that they were gone so fast, and you can't just make up some bullcrap about 'hundreds of alts' just because they were gone so fast. Hell, the gold prize festia wings are STILL at 0/2 in Mari so these hundreds of alts aren't trying very hard are they? :P Conspiracy Theory, much? I feel like I just read a thread by the Alex Jones of Mabinogi XD
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  • SherriSherri
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    I agree, something needs to be done about these cheaters. It's very unfair to everyone else.
  • SheenaSheena
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    What is the point? The wings have been taken for the people that abuse multi accounts/client and unless you want to spend gold on it, the "best" you can afford with the Festia Insta Prize Coins is the platinum hammer which is 294/300 right now.

    Devs/mods should do something and take measures about this problem in most of this kind of events

    Maybe next time just give everything to the NPC "Dero" or something and don't limit the prizes like this.
  • GretaGreta
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    Limited prizes and sales are disgusting...
    SherriSheenaYangKoeteZeo
  • SherriSherri
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    Greta wrote: »
    Limited prizes and sales are disgusting...

    I agree, but I bet people who use alts would only say that we are 'butthurt' we didn't win anything good.
    SheenaYangKoete
  • lceCreamlceCream
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    edited April 1, 2018
    Arjune wrote: »
    idk why people are even surprised that the festia wings were gone within an hour.... most players (like me) had over 300 coins saved up to throw at that machine the instant the servers went up. and most payers (like me) walked away with something like 100 gift boxes and 70 prof hammers and 100-some full recovery pots. Obviously the 3 lucky people would eventually win the wings they had saved their coins 3 weeks for. You should not be surprised AT ALL that they were gone so fast, and you can't just make up some bullcrap about 'hundreds of alts' just because they were gone so fast. Hell, the gold prize festia wings are STILL at 0/2 in Mari so these hundreds of alts aren't trying very hard are they? :P Conspiracy Theory, much? I feel like I just read a thread by the Alex Jones of Mabinogi XD

    Too much effort to transfer money to alts
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  • HellkaizerHellkaizer
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    Arjune wrote: »
    idk why people are even surprised that the festia wings were gone within an hour.... most players (like me) had over 300 coins saved up to throw at that machine the instant the servers went up. and most payers (like me) walked away with something like 100 gift boxes and 70 prof hammers and 100-some full recovery pots. Obviously the 3 lucky people would eventually win the wings they had saved their coins 3 weeks for. You should not be surprised AT ALL that they were gone so fast, and you can't just make up some bullcrap about 'hundreds of alts' just because they were gone so fast. Hell, the gold prize festia wings are STILL at 0/2 in Mari so these hundreds of alts aren't trying very hard are they? :P Conspiracy Theory, much? I feel like I just read a thread by the Alex Jones of Mabinogi XD

    At this point it's just FUD. Even in alexina almost all the gold rewards are still up. I had ~200 coins myself saved and blew them all as soon as the servers came up. I don't think anyone would bother putting in the effort of making the claimed 100 alts for a set of festia wings.

    Also for the dungeon thing, AAHM is pointless to run unless you have 4 people. I do think this should be changed.
  • OpalthiraOpalthira
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    edited April 1, 2018
    Arjune wrote: »
    idk why people are even surprised that the festia wings were gone within an hour.... most players (like me) had over 300 coins saved up to throw at that machine the instant the servers went up. and most payers (like me) walked away with something like 100 gift boxes and 70 prof hammers and 100-some full recovery pots. Obviously the 3 lucky people would eventually win the wings they had saved their coins 3 weeks for. You should not be surprised AT ALL that they were gone so fast, and you can't just make up some bullcrap about 'hundreds of alts' just because they were gone so fast. Hell, the gold prize festia wings are STILL at 0/2 in Mari so these hundreds of alts aren't trying very hard are they? :P Conspiracy Theory, much? I feel like I just read a thread by the Alex Jones of Mabinogi XD

    The servers went up early before mentioned when they would be up.
    Within 5 minutes all the wings were gone on Alexina.

    What they should have done was increase the coins needed amount and made it more difficult to farm for them.
    Like the Chain slasher event. It was actually possible to get the teir 3 prize in that event yet this one only gives recovery pots...
    That would have made it actually rewarding to do this event. i spent like 1000+ coins in a month and got 0 plat hammers, 0 music boxes, 0 wings.
    And like 2 HS items... The drop rates for this event were absolute bs the fact that the wings were gone in 5 mins mean theres mean there were far too many people exploiting this event.

    All the prizes should be untradable everything else is already untradable in the coin machine its only fair that everything else be locked too.
    I could care less about the people want to trade the items to their friends cause the chance of them ever getting one of these items and trading them to friends is just a bs arguement to begin with. No one would ever give away one of kind wings that give the equivalent of "p2w" wings.
    As for the Music box there is already like 4 different kinds of these music boxes. All they needed to do would be increase the drop rate for them anyway. Since there were 120 chances for them that is a considerable amount of them and i would say a fair amount of them per server.
    Besides if the items were increased in drop rates and untradable it would make more people happy than unhappy.
    But i have no doubt in my mind there are gonna be people who dont agree with me simply because they value their opinions over my own.
    so its whatever.
  • BuffalosBuffalos
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    Just gonna add that alt abusers know just how far they can push things (multiple accounts on one connection, multiboxing,etc) before actually getting caught. People suggesting new limits on those grounds won't accomplish anything at this point. Make things untradable or not worth it for the """end game crowd""" and all these eventchar#### characters will cease to exist.
    This has gotten to a point where any attempts to be fair to the general population will fail to stop the rotten from doing this. Nip it off at the bud like you guys did with Hamlet, Nexon.
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  • FroglordFroglord
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    edited April 1, 2018
    Hellkaizer wrote: »
    Arjune wrote: »
    idk why people are even surprised that the festia wings were gone within an hour.... most players (like me) had over 300 coins saved up to throw at that machine the instant the servers went up. and most payers (like me) walked away with something like 100 gift boxes and 70 prof hammers and 100-some full recovery pots. Obviously the 3 lucky people would eventually win the wings they had saved their coins 3 weeks for. You should not be surprised AT ALL that they were gone so fast, and you can't just make up some bullcrap about 'hundreds of alts' just because they were gone so fast. Hell, the gold prize festia wings are STILL at 0/2 in Mari so these hundreds of alts aren't trying very hard are they? :P Conspiracy Theory, much? I feel like I just read a thread by the Alex Jones of Mabinogi XD

    At this point it's just FUD. Even in alexina almost all the gold rewards are still up. I had ~200 coins myself saved and blew them all as soon as the servers came up. I don't think anyone would bother putting in the effort of making the claimed 100 alts for a set of festia wings.

    Also for the dungeon thing, AAHM is pointless to run unless you have 4 people. I do think this should be changed.

    It's not FUD when you got people bragging about making 100~200 alts in the discord channel, showing off their 200 something rebirth potions, and showing pics of their army of alts surrounding the festia draw machine, and other npc's like the sweeper event npc.
    SherriVaughan
  • SherriSherri
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    edited April 1, 2018
    I don't know about here in Mari but I've seen people running around with like four alts behind them. Quite a few times too.
    Froglord wrote: »
    Hellkaizer wrote: »
    Arjune wrote: »
    idk why people are even surprised that the festia wings were gone within an hour.... most players (like me) had over 300 coins saved up to throw at that machine the instant the servers went up. and most payers (like me) walked away with something like 100 gift boxes and 70 prof hammers and 100-some full recovery pots. Obviously the 3 lucky people would eventually win the wings they had saved their coins 3 weeks for. You should not be surprised AT ALL that they were gone so fast, and you can't just make up some bullcrap about 'hundreds of alts' just because they were gone so fast. Hell, the gold prize festia wings are STILL at 0/2 in Mari so these hundreds of alts aren't trying very hard are they? :P Conspiracy Theory, much? I feel like I just read a thread by the Alex Jones of Mabinogi XD

    At this point it's just FUD. Even in alexina almost all the gold rewards are still up. I had ~200 coins myself saved and blew them all as soon as the servers came up. I don't think anyone would bother putting in the effort of making the claimed 100 alts for a set of festia wings.

    Also for the dungeon thing, AAHM is pointless to run unless you have 4 people. I do think this should be changed.

    It's not FUD when you got people bragging about making 100~200 alts in the discord channel, showing off their 200 something rebirth potions, and showing pics of their army of alts surrounding the festia draw machine, and other npc's like the sweeper event npc.

    Oh lord, this is probs why one of my friends avoid people at all costs.
  • OpalthiraOpalthira
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    Inb4 everyone ignores mine and Buffalos posts cause they're right...
  • ArjuneArjune
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    I see.... sounds to me like it's just a specific server having this issue then :/ Prizes seem to be going at a decently slow rate in Mari
  • BuffalosBuffalos
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    Opalthira wrote: »
    Inb4 everyone ignores mine and Buffalos posts cause they're right...
    Something something if it's already perfect don't add on to it. Or people have a pre deposition to ignore me
    Arjune wrote: »
    I see.... sounds to me like it's just a specific server having this issue then :/ Prizes seem to be going at a decently slow rate in Mari
    Abuse rate is going to be proportional to the server's population of over the edge try hards, which in turn is in proportion to the server's overall population. Alexina has this super bad, but that doesn't mean this doesn't exist in the other servers: just isn't as obvious to the normal eye.
  • WolfandWolfWolfandWolf
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    Opalthira wrote: »

    The servers went up early before mentioned when they would be up.
    Within 5 minutes all the wings were gone on Alexina.
    What they should have done was increase the coins needed amount and made it more difficult to farm for them.
    Like the Chain slasher event. It was actually possible to get the teir 3 prize in that event yet this one only gives recovery pots...
    That would have made it actually rewarding to do this event. i spent like 1000+ coins in a month and got 0 plat hammers, 0 music boxes, 0 wings.
    And like 2 HS items... The drop rates for this event were absolute bs the fact that the wings were gone in 5 mins mean theres mean there were far too many people exploiting this event.

    I think it would have been better if it made you run a shadow mission of your rank, or you could only get coins from the Thank you Note Seals (which requires you to fight monsters of a certain CP), and you can only get 10 a day. Having to run things would and increasing the amount of coins it costs (or decreasing the Thank You Note Seal drop rate) would make it sufficiently irritating enough to run multiple clients.
    Opalthira wrote: »

    All the prizes should be untradable everything else is already untradable in the coin machine its only fair that everything else be locked too.
    I could care less about the people want to trade the items to their friends cause the chance of them ever getting one of these items and trading them to friends is just a bs arguement to begin with. No one would ever give away one of kind wings that give the equivalent of "p2w" wings.
    As for the Music box there is already like 4 different kinds of these music boxes. All they needed to do would be increase the drop rate for them anyway. Since there were 120 chances for them that is a considerable amount of them and i would say a fair amount of them per server.
    Besides if the items were increased in drop rates and untradable it would make more people happy than unhappy.
    But i have no doubt in my mind there are gonna be people who dont agree with me simply because they value their opinions over my own.
    so its whatever.

    The TOP prizes should be untradeable. I feel like the homestead items should remain tradeable, simply because of how IRRITATINGLY HARD it is to get them. I've had to buy a couple from another player. And that's where I disagree with you; I would like the option of tradeable homestead items and for them to always remain tradeable.

    But wings and music boxes and plat hammers don't really need to be tradeable.

    But I don't know. Personally, I think it's kind of sour how we get obtainable wings but they're left to chance instead of hard work. Even if you upped the drop rates, you will still have people that won't be able to get them, and making them untradeable would make sure these people won't be able to buy them either. I would really prefer untradeable wings that everyone can get from working hard at an event (like the wings of light, etc, except non-expirable and non-tradeable).

    That's my two cents.
    Sherri
  • Sphyra21Sphyra21
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    i saved up nearly ALL my instant prize for the final week, which was just under 300 (it was 290 somethin' I think). Ended up with 95 prize boxes (no HS items at all TT.TT) , too many rusty hammers and full recovery pots, and 1, exactly ONE platinum hammer.

    .......
    I was hopin' to at LEAST get a music box and some of the new HS items...

    And why on earth would anyone want to drag around so many alts? 1 or 2 i can understand, but any more than that is kinda ridiculous.
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