Darkpixie99

Kensamaofmari wrote: »

Darkpixie99 wrote: »

Kensamaofmari wrote: »

The issue is that people (especially the racist and ignorant) will still refer to them as gypsies even after they've settled down, in which I go back to my example in Italy. There are those who have settled down after gaining status, but the anti-immigrant people trying to drive them out will still refer to them as Romani/gypsies and would not allow them to be incorporated into Italian society. And that is exactly where some people will take offense to. And of course there will be offense being called something you're not.
Namecalling has nothing to do with origins and history. Just like derogatory use of the N word has nothing to do with people's origins.

In Mabinogi, I still believe "Gypsy" was scripted as a fantasy driven correct term.
After all, elves descend from Connous, which is a desert like place- similar to Egypt.
So while the Romani in real life are upset with outsiders utilizing the term, the Bard Camp NPCs seemed to have been fine with it.
They're aware of how others see them: As nomads who dance, sing, and play music.
Also unlike the Romani who hate the term, elves are naturally fair skinned.
They're legally more representative of the original use for "gypsy" than the Romani people.
It's pretty ironic, if you ask me.

But that's this world isn't it? Just full of hypocrisy that makes it feel like a fictional world with non real peoples have a better life than real people do. Well, that's why it's "Fantasy Life" I guess.

Fantasy is fictional for a reason, as it does not reflect reality- it's merely inspired by it.
(And yes, authors also intend it to make people feel better.)

Kensamaofmari wrote: »

The Festia NPC should teach the skill.

Mabinogi designed Tarot cards should be physical merch as well. They'll probably sell as hot as the Maplestory merch...

Helsa wrote: »

PlatinaKoki wrote: »

That's why the blacks use a version ending with an "a", to differentiate it from the original slur.

Would black people make that distinction if someone from outside their community used this version, with an a, to their face?

Helsa, think of it this way:
Men often teach boys that modern street smarts dictate that it's a bad idea for men to decide to wear a handkerchief out on his butt's belt.
Why they do that is, well... I'd have to tell you not to Google it. Even if it's something from the past, modern LGBTQ culture kept it in that loop.
It works the same for white men calling them black boys N's on the streets.
They won't do it unless
A- They're stupid and are actually trying to pick a fight
B- They're trying too hard to click with the locals, and the situation became awkward, so they just back off and apologize
In reality: street smarts, communication, and observation can easily determine the situation and appropriate reaction.
If you're here in the states, we aren't actually taught that Gypsy=Romani.
It's simply not a historically accurate context for the use of the term. (Due to the wide variety of use for various nomadic groups)
We're taught the historical use and prior context, and the reasons behind that context.
Seeing as how the history of N is more or less in the past, there are some people who are okay with the term.
(Depending on when it's used or how it's communicated)
I bet the same could be said of the Romani outlook on the word of Gypsy, if Nexon had the time to ask as many as possible.

Businesses trying to be "correct" by easing things, whilst also failing to share or communicate the positive history of said things.
The insanity of it all.
Anyone remember that one Hydra scene with the textbooks in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.?
"They erased it because it was hurtful," well, sometimes the truth hurts.
Grow up to teach, but you never learn. A pity, Nexon, a true pity.
A shame we'll never see the Gypsy title again.
We could've learned so much from Nexon collaborating with actual an Romani tribe to produce the best representative gypsies of the Bard Camp.
But nope, bottom line is more important, and enraged minorities of a minority (who likely have no idea what a Mabinogi is) take the priority.
I doubt my feedback thread will even matter.
The server merge megathread may have been started by me, but it was simply going on for too long for Nexon to want to hear about anymore, so they merged.
They don't actually care about us, do they? If they did, then they'd have changed the Cash Shop focus from gachapons to standard item sales.
I honestly doubt they'll ever change their ways, with the rate those offices keep closing.

Given how Mabinogi is an anime style fantasy MMORPG, it makes no sense as to why the "Gypsy" Talent would have been removed.
As stated above, Mabinogi is an anime style fantasy MMORPG.
As such:
Modern outrage based on emotional insight of inaccurate representation of Oxford Dictionary definitions cannot, and should not apply to medieval or ancient terms, let alone be capable of offending anyone in an anime inspired game.
It's literally and figuratively inane to be offended by a fantasy world, wherein the definitions of things are going to be different than in reality.
Had it truly been problematic, there were already multiple options in place for that Talent to be invisible from sight.
If there are no current plans for a "Dance" Talent where the title can be earned through Mastery, or if developers lack desire in reinstating the "Gypsy" title, then Nexon KR has failed the history and inner workings of it's own Bard Camp.
-Darkpixie99 of Nao

According to the dictionary:
gyp·sy
/ˈjipsē/
noun
1.
a member of a traveling people traditionally living by itinerant trade and fortune telling. Gypsies speak a language (Romany) that is related to Hindi and are believed to have originated in South Asia.
synonyms: Romany, Rom, chal, chai, gitano, gitana, tzigane, didicoi
2.
a nomadic or free-spirited person.
synonyms: Romany, Rom, chal, chai, gitano, gitana, tzigane, didicoi
adjective