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Cho wrote: »

He's whining about afk events, rng, and gacha. In other words, he's telling us to blame nexon for the alt-abuse.

Nexon (NA) publishes the game and decides which events to run and local monetization strategy. Devcat makes the game and decides the droprates, they are not the same however the actions of both make the prospect of using mules beneficial instead of discouraging using mules by making it extra "work" for no extra reward, thus eliminating the problem of seeing 40 mules at the tail altar and 600 at the event NPC which is the complaint of the thread. They could even get away with AFK events if they simply locked the rewards to the account.
How would you feel if you didn't have breakfast yesterday?

Helsa wrote: »

Nexon can't tell the difference between two people using their own computers through the same router and one person doing that. What if your friend brings their laptop over and logs in through your router, what does Nexon make of that? People can complain to tech support but then so can the botters; how does Nexon tell the difference?

Blackcipher runs on execution ring 0, meaning Nexon does potentially have the ability to pull the serial number of your device and various components like the motherboard, solid state drives, hard drives, and so on making it very easy to identify which clients are running on the same system and when because they have logs of exactly when and how long you're logged in and could trivially compare those hardware serials to login times in the Mabinogi MS SQL database. If you're interested in the identifying information available you can see it yourself using hwinfo64, I can't say if Blackcipher does or doesn't collect it I'm simply pointing out it runs at a privilege level that has access to the information.
As for IP addresses, they're not a very good identifier because not only can multiple people be playing behind the same router as mentioned in this thread, many ISPs are starting to use CGNAT (Carrier Grade Network Address Translation) so hundreds or even thousands of users are sharing a single internet facing IP address. On top of that many people are using VPNs now be it "privacy" memes that were shilled to them like n*rdvpn and 'p'ia or potentially valid bypasses to bad ISP level routing like wt**st, they are also all sharing a pool of IPs owned by the providers of those VPNs. Also as I mentioned in a previous post, it's easy to ask a neighbor for their wifi password, tether a burner phone, or even use direction wifi antennas to connect to open networks (fast food, libraries, etc) if you're in a city.

From a technological view point, the only way to "get rid of the bots" is for the game design that makes them beneficial to be changed, anything else (IP bans, blanket bans, hardware serial bans, etc) simply punishes normal players more than it punishes the people using the mules anyway.

Helsa wrote: »

Nexon is not going to reduce everyone to one account, especially after saying it was okay, for over a decade.

This is the absolute final truth of the matter and it's extremely unlikely that Nexon and Devcat will actually change anything no matter what solutions we as players may propose to it because there aren't enough people, really if any, who will stop buying gachapon and reforges over other players using mules to even register on their radars.
Those who dislike seeing mules will simply have to blacklist them, change channels, or learn to cope and ignore them, and maybe some will decide to join the game design industry and push for change from within along side me.

Instead of "bot" seething threads year after year, maybe we should have threads that get enough attention from the NA team to bother forwarding to KR about the reward system being the problem, drop rates being too low, all the good gear being locked behind gachapons while the crafting system goes unused, all the events being rehashed AFK simulators.
Fighting the symptoms won't cure the disease, until the actual problem is fixed people are going to use mules even if NA tightens the rope on them like KR did recently, and anyone can type wyse 3040 lot into ebay get cheap usb wifi dongles and ask their neighbors for wifi passwords or tether phones.

This is one of the best suggestions I've seen in years and should be implemented immediately, but maybe 100 instead of 20, and get rid of autoprod caps too.

Crims wrote: »

Let us not forget the avatar exploit you did on this very freaking forum for all to see! You sir are hilarious.

Careful provoking the Russian hackers, they'll rig your ele- polls!

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Game has lots of garbage useless skills though, every skillset except Chain needs revamped with an emphasis on every skill actually having a use.