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Captmuffinz wrote: »I not saying it is bad for spending in game money. In the end what your doing is still end up the same way people spend money away. But waste more times and using some thing still related people spend real money any way.Captmuffinz wrote: »Captmuffinz wrote: »It still the same thing. Put some effort to get real money in real world. What do you do in game? Put some effort into get money. Its the same thing.Captmuffinz wrote: »Captmuffinz wrote: »I have to say. What up with person spamming about end game race stuff? Sound like that person relying to much on final hit. Do I really need to remind them about end game static are lock behind pay wall and always long boring grinding for stuff to make them. I don't care you can just buy it from player with in game money. It still count as pay to win any way if you do it like that.
It only counts as p2w if they buy the gold off someone/bots (which some of these new tryhard "end game elves" do)
But if they grinded for the gold, I don't see how it's p2w. They grinded for the gold to be able to purchase the gear instead of making it.
And what does making gears and earning gold in Mabinogi have in common? = grind.
Its same thing any way in game wise. Don't use botter as excuses. It still buy your way to win any way.
I don't see how buying gear parts with gold that you WORKED for is considered p2w.
p2w is when you buy something without putting any effort in game, that's the way I see it.
Are you telling me people don't put effort when they grind for gold?
You put effort in real life (work) and you get money out of it. What you want to do with the money is entirely up to you.
Same goes with in game. You grind for gold to do/buy whatever you want in game.
Which means you aren't really p2w, since you already put the effort in game to get the gear by grinding for the gold.
I for one am not a fan of people who p2w. But if they bought a gear set with their own gold that they worked/grinded for, then I don't see how it's p2w.
At this point you can just believe whatever you want.
It still count as pay to win any way. Mostly you buy it from other user. Saying it not just you don't want to think it is true. We still paying gold any way to upgrade stuff any way or getting other stuff. Still we have to pay intent bill to even use online.
So if I were to say you "spammed the Treasure Box Event or any other events that you can obtain reforges from", would you also consider it as "p2w"? Because I can tell you one thing that 70% of my gears were from spamming that event and the rest were doing trades. I only used ONE CREDNE reforge on my knuckles.
From how I see p2w is that you are throwing Real-Life money onto a game to "cheese it through" or get something you want quicker than people who save up gold for it. Pay to win to me means that they have the higher advantages over free to play players. It's just how you play the game, you don't need to have top tier gears (for this case, it seems like it's only FH and/or max damage for human) to be labelled as pay to win when you put time and efforts into saving up gold to buy them either through SM's, quest or trades.
If you're saying grinding for gold and then buying gears with gold is considered pay 2 win, are you saying you can "pay to win" life too?
But if you're saying that "p2w = paying internet bills", then I have nothing else to say. Because that is a ridiculous reason/excuse.
