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Eralea

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  • Mabinogi Feedback Survey!

    XCalibie wrote: »
    People really need to stop using that "straw man" term, it doesn't award 'em any bonus points! (It often does quite the opposite, actually)

    Most people misuse it. I am not one of those people.

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    Helsa is intentionally directing the topic elsewhere. It's almost like she doesn't want to acknowledge that there was rampant cheating on our server.

    But I get it. There's a large group of casuals who simply weren't in the loop, and another large group of casuals who are actively participating in the cancer. I don't really care which one she belongs to, there's no point in trying to explain things to someone who insists on deflecting the issue.

    Gaea/Crims isn't the only one who has given up on reporting anything to Nexon. I've known other active end-game players who quit out of disgust at both the cheating and Nexon's inaction whenever they tried to report dodgy stuff. Whether anyone acknowledges it or not, this is a factor that's affecting Mabi's player retention.
    GretaAlshianpawcalypseSherri
  • No more timed event items.

    Miliardo wrote: »
    Yeah I'm sure we'd all love a free Spirit of Tuan, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea from Nexon's end

    They've given us a free permanent Spirit of Tuan before. Permanent event pets was something I'd considered a huge improvement over the Old Nexon from 2008-2012 that everyone hated - it showed that they weren't just trying to milk the game to death with prem/pay2win events (anyone remember white tiger robes?).

    Hyping up free event pets was one of the few ways I could get old players who quit excited enough to come back, even for a little while, because they couldn't believe how nice and generous Nexon had become now. Now that they're expiring it's just meh. I'm not gonna hype that nonsense up.

    Like everyone else, I didn't get an Attendance Completion box for the first part of the current event because of the bug. Now that I have actually received one, I'm ticked off again. It's a box with a 7 day expiry, containing two items with 30-day expiries, one of which is another box where you can select your choice of upgrade stone, which will also expire in 30 days. Why??

    The upgrade stone is limited to one trade, which means certain multiclienters with 60-90 accounts will have no problems transferring heaps of prot stones to their mains or selling them off for easy cash. What's the point? Event prizes with this combination of limitations are only facilitating their event abuse. I'd rather have an untradeable permanent stone. It's still technically possible to abuse those but at least they'd have to fumble around with trade unlock potions to do so.

    If the guy with 90 accounts manages to sell all his stones for 2m ea that's an easy 180m minus fees. Great for him, but I'm getting real sick of all this.
    KensamaofmariDraechHarukariRadiant DawnGretaSherri
  • Mabinogi Feedback Survey!

    Helsa wrote: »
    Eralea wrote: »
    Don't talk like the massive amounts of gold in Alexina wasn't brought in by cheaters botting shadow missions, and MA tourney after missions got nerfed. This isn't "time and effort". It's automation and abuse of the terms of service.

    The high prices are set by the people selling the goods. Those people have the goods to sell either because they spent real money getting NX to buy them, or they patiently built themselves up over time via buy low and sell high. Gold sellers allow inflation to occur quicker, but even without them there would still be inflation.

    Setting high prices would be pointless if no one had the gold to pay them. The only reason sellers can set high prices in the first place is because cheaters and the people who buy gold from cheaters are able to afford it.

    Legit players and merchants were not the ones who generated 30 million of gold from SMs every single day for most of a year. This isn't an exaggeration - that's the actual number the botters bragged about. Stop conflating normal inflation with the banana republic levels of hyperinflation that Alexina experienced.

    People reported the cheaters and Nexon failed to stop them. It could have been stopped in the early stages, around two years ago, but instead it was allowed to continue festering for months, while the botters and multi-clienters got more and more brazen and openly bragged about getting away with their cheating.

    It's exasperating enough to see these smug jackasses talk about why it's pointless to play legitimately, you don't need to help them out by downplaying the role they had in this economic cancer.
    KensamaofmaripawcalypseSherri
  • Mabinogi Feedback Survey!

    Greta wrote: »
    Let's also point out that people outright eat you alive if you try to say that you are planning to report gold sellers/buyers and modders.

    So proud of this community.


    Correct, I know folks who have been kicked from parties because they were trying to draw attention to the cheating. It's toxic and runs deeper than people think.

    The botters were so brazen, at one point, the leader of a certain endgame guild was found botting skill training in Tir Chonaill ch1. We know he was botting because we managed to lure the foxes and trap his character onto a fence, where he did this little sequence of twitching around and throwing out an occasional focused fist.

    Eventually the actual human being came back to log into his other character for daily public girg raids. (NGL I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall when he found himself stuck on a fence.)

    Can you imagine publicly cheating at Tir ch1? They were just that confident that Nexon wasn't gonna ban them. He still plays to this day.

    Don't name them if you know who, it's unfortunately against the forums rules. Speaking of which, I'm probably more likely to get banned for bringing up the existence for RMTs, than they are for actually doing RMTs. Just a few months ago there was someone on these forums screeching about gold inflation when I've personally seen them offering paypal for stuff before. Gee, wonder what's the real reason they're so upset about the real world gold value getting worse?
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  • Mabinogi Feedback Survey!

    Helsa wrote: »
    Inflation is a problem but it's also an unsolvable issue. If players can choose to avoid gold sinks they will. If they enforce using gold sinks then the cure is likely going to be worse than the cold. The only way to be immune to inflation is to be a seller yourself. The super-rich in this game are so because they put the time, effort, and in many cases expense into being so; it's a game, no one was born wealthy. Unless everyone is willing to do the same there is just going to be a two-tiered virtual society. Doesn't this kind of thing happen in every multiplayer online game?


    Don't talk like the massive amounts of gold in Alexina wasn't brought in by cheaters botting shadow missions, and MA tourney after missions got nerfed. This isn't "time and effort". It's automation and abuse of the terms of service.

    Don't talk like there isn't a real world value for Mabinogi gold.

    Don't talk like there isn't a huge RMT market on Facebook/Discord buying and trading gold and that abusers simply pay for the gold they need to buy gear and fashion.

    Don't talk like Nexon didn't drag their feet when it came to banning the cheaters. Don't talk like Nexon didn't let the cheaters off easy even if they caught them. Don't talk like Nexon didn't unban the cheaters when they pleaded.

    I know most low-to-mid level players aren't in the loop for these issues and maybe you aren't either, but if you are - pretending that Alexina's inflation is some kind of natural economic growth is wilfully ignoring the outright CHEATING done by certain endgame cliques on the server. Stop letting them get away with it.

    The reason many legit endgame players left is because they didn't see the point in playing a game where you could simply bot in all your money to buy gear and rebirth potions. Why waste time playing when no rules were being enforced? There is no fun in playing a game with cheaters.

    Do you know those cheaters view legit casual players with contempt and disrespect because they aren't as strong as those who cheated their way up? Players like you are less than dirt to them because you play legitimately. Let that sink in for a bit. This is the cancerous mentality we're dealing with.

    Do you know how they justify their cheating? "It doesn't affect other people, only me". Yeah right, as if the huge price tags on everything don't scare off new and returning players alike. As if it doesn't create an additional unnecessary hurdle for those of us who don't buy gold.

    Stop pretending that this is normal. The inflation is caused by player abuse that went unchecked for far too long while Nexon dismissed reports and complaints.

    And for those of you who realise that the abusers have moved to Nao and that you're already seeing the effects - it might not be too late to put a little more pressure onto Nexon to get this disease stopped. I mean, if you're not part of the problem. I know certain forum members are.
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