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  • A little too much ptw ?

    Hellkaizer wrote: »
    ShouK wrote: »
    Hellkaizer wrote: »
    well, good news, this gear isn't end game at all!

    Unless you count having prot as end game.
    I'm mostly talking about the attack delay on the horn. I count end game as having the best gear for each slot. Pretty pissed the armor is basically an upgraded version of RKA. I worked so hard on my RKA too.. and they not just released a better version of it, but it came pre-r1 too. And it is not that much different from a max roll langu/bhafel.

    Bhafel slayer is a better RKA by a pretty massive amount, but the set effect on bhafel sticks it ahead of the abyss stuff by a bit as well. Same goes for langu, max roll it's better, plus the set effect does something. I'm mostly a free player as well (I spend around $30CAD a month on mabi, mostly going to service, and equip slot) and I'd say I outgear a fairly decent amount of people. It's frustrating that the attack delay is on a gacha item, but I also think of it as more a fashion thing (or something to help people catch up and get gear) Don't get me wrong, not trying to defend gacha but people are blowing this out of proportion pretty massively.
    Donk3y wrote: »
    Mabi has been p2w for awhile not, this is just making it more obvious.

    This is a matter of perspective, out of all the games I've played mabi is one of the most generous freemium games out there. Runescape is broken amounts of pay to win, TERA has rates so low for enchanting you're probably never going to get it without cash shop protections, they're also stingy with pets/mounts as well. That's just a few examples as well, even vindictus is significantly worse than mabi in terms of pay to win. The other thing is someone with max stats average gear, and echostones will out perform someone in "max" gear with reforges and gacha stuff.

    I'm generally okay with armors being in gacha, even R1 reforges sometimes, but before they were rarely inherently better than armors in-game. I would prefer it when cash items are regulated to just being a style choice rather than offering anything substantially powerful. (This this is substantially powerful because of its stats comparable to the strongest armor in game while offering a unique status effect).
    SherriShouKfennixfoxTheNyanCat
  • A little too much ptw ?

    Sebastian wrote: »
    FayeKaiba wrote: »
    You do have a way to get it. Save up money. It's not hard at all to make money in the game and the prices of the armours arn't even that expensive. It's first 12 hours of the gacha.

    You can't expect nexon to always release shopping bags, that's not have any gaming company works.

    Also you are not being taken advantage off or ignored at all, and the game isn't going down the hill at all over an armour being put in the gacha.

    1. That actually depends on drop rates, not how long the gacha is out. It could get either worse or better from here. Some people just can't make that much money before the end of the sale, and even well after it.
    2. That one's a fair point.
    3. I agree it's not going downhill, but it is a bit scummy to add armor that's better than most of what we have. Someone in here brought up engineering rolls, and it's ridiculous that you can negate that by spending cash monies. Rip actual effort.

    Tldr gacha armor is good and I'm just jealous because I want it but have no money ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Just to add my 2 cents on this:

    1. Its pretty much one of the strongest stat wise armors with a status effect coming exclusively from a gacha. This is the very definition of P2W.

    2. Shopping bags isn't a problem, they should've just released this armor at best with stats similar to that of the dark knight armor or the colossus armor. That would mean that besides the look of this, it is not inherently better than any obtainable armor in the game. Which means that someone is not paying for actual power and instead just paying to look fancy and pretty. They released this with the expectation that people will aim for this rather than any available in-game items.

    3. In all honestly would you invest time and effort in obtaining a suit of armor that unless you get the highest possible quality will be inferior to a gacha item that will possibly be cheaper. It's a scummy practice, they're bashing the players over the head with "Oh you could spend months gathering the materials for a suit of armor that maaaaaaybe better, or you can hand you a couple hundred $$$ for this". It's a scummy practice, plain and simple.
    SherriSebastianShouKfennixfoxCallantheTheNyanCatLialin
  • Can we not immediately scream for nerfs?

    Ninzerker wrote: »
    Xafnir wrote: »
    The fact that it lets you do the content out of order and you did so, doesn't mean the story is not in order lol, it just means you couldn't be bothered to do things in the order they came up. It's like starting a movie series from the middle and yelling at people to not give spoilers about the beginning (not saying you said to not give spoilers). You have hard facts that the g21 story is, like everyone said, the culmination of all the past generations, weather it lets you do it in order or not.
    The story gives you the timeline not the order in which the game lets you access content or not and that's just simple fact.

    Okay, let's do this one part at a time. As equally pedantic as your being.
    The fact that it lets you do the content out of order and you did so, doesn't mean the story is not in order lol
    No the fact that it allows you to do the content as you will simply means the storyline has a subjective timeline. One person can canonically complete shakespeare or any of the demigod quests as their starting point because to them that was where their storyline quest started. There is absolutely nothing enforcing you to begin from Generation 1, and progress through numerical order. In fact they repeatedly offer you ways in which to skip around. For example: There's neither a reward, nor achievement for completing the entirety of Generation 7 questline, it's entirely optional. Generation 8 only offers a title and the ability to actually use the rewards from Generation 9. Neither of these two even have end credits they are so inconsequential And what of the quests making up Generations 4, 5, and 6? Oh yeah, there aren't any.

    it just means you couldn't be bothered to do things in the order they came up. It's like starting a movie series from the middle and yelling at people to not give spoilers about the beginning
    Making a lot of baseless assumptions aren't we?
    They didn't always have a full heavily scripted tutorial. When I began, it was basically "Here, your in the game, now go explore and do stuff" And in my instance I found myself in Cor, learning transformation and starting a questline according to you I should have had no business entering. On my first day, first hour, just a few minutes into the game even loading.
    Regardless, even nowadays were STILL making prequels to series that have annual sequels, or are you one of those who staunchly wouldn't watch the original Star Wars trilogy before they came out with the prequel trilogy, JUST to see everything in an arbitrary chronological order. (Rogue One, Solo, and the Obi-Wan movies must be burning your biscuits by now then!)
    You have hard facts that the g21 story is, like everyone said, the culmination of all the past generations, weather it lets you do it in order or not.
    A fact is indisputable, with the presence of evidence to the contrary this "fact" is at most speculation at best.
    The story gives you the timeline not the order in which the game lets you access content or not and that's just simple fact.

    What timeline did the Divine Knights story actually entail?
    For the entirety of generation 19, 20, and 21, outside of the Avalon defense system alluding to some adventures you might have done in the past, there's only two or three characters they bring back from previous questlines, that you wouldn't normally see granted you just explored the cities and towns the new tutorials bring your through.

    In Generation 19 the only NPC you wouldn't have met if you didn't do any previous questlines is the loli queen near the end. She is a loli, and the queen. And depending on individual choices during generation 16 she might have a change of dialogue depicting a crush on the player, and she does have alternate dialogues if you haven't beaten the aforementioned quests, you gain a good understanding of her personality, as well as history though your dialogues within the story, and no elaboration is really needed beyond that.
    Nothing happens in Generation 20 that a new player might miss out on.
    Generation 21 is another appearance of Merlin, who once again even in his first appearance tells you all you need to know. He's self important and arrogant, with an never ceasing tongue and an ever constant source of annoyance. The only thing it DOESN'T tell you in the first two minutes is he's hopelessly crushing on Starlet
    As for the aforementioned Avalon Defense trap cutscene? Yes it shows a few NPC from previous generations, but the dialogue is standalone, generalised, and clearly states "Yes, these are YOUR good deeds but were they really the best course of action?"
    Even someone completely unfamiliar with the story can understand and fully grasp what they meant even if they had no prior knowledge of who any of these people were.
    Nothing would have been lost if they had just replaced everyone with a cutscene of you Taming the Lost Cat and bringing it to Pencast like is required to reach that point, then show different possible outcomes such as Pancast abusing it, not giving head pats and calling it a bad kitty.

    Except that C6 makes repeated references to your previous adventures. Nascent Divinity was even explained as all the powers you've acquired in your adventures reacting and consolidating with outworldly power. Now, here's the reason why you can do the Generations out of order: There are certain skills for talents locked within those Generations, this allows players to gain access to those skills earlier. Here's the deal, G19 starts with your character having an crisis of all the things they've done in the world, the adventures of the previous generations. Chapter 6 has plenty and I mean PLENTY of call backs to pivotal moments in the Millitian's previous adventures, it brings up those specific characters for that reason, it's used to establish continuity to those moments.

    The timeline is not subjective, it is fixed with call backs and direct references to the consequences of certain actions and plots taken during those stories. It's not regulated to Chapter 6 either, chapter 5 (Saga) also references all of your previous adventures down to G1. Ruairi even muses that even then, you two are still fighting each other. Another way to look at it is that you're watching Mabinogi as a series, you can watch it in any order but if you don't watch it in order, you lose out on continuity and the impact of certain events when it makes those call backs and references. Saying that the timeline is subjective is like saying, say, a show like dragon ball Z, has a subjective timeline because you can watch any of the episodes in any order. It's the same as the main stream stories for Mabi, just because you CAN play them in any order doesn't mean its RECOMMENDED.

    And yes, those are undisputed facts that they are call back to previous adventures. G19 even has a part where you retrieve quest items from previous generations and remembering all those adventures. Those were placed there with the specific purpose in invoking continuity. There's also your first meeting with the knights who explains they know about your adventures in Iria and the giant hole Ruairi ended up punching in the sky, once again, directly mentioning previous events. There is no doubt, the story directly addresses events of past generation and story elements, there IS continuity and denying that is just selective ignorance.



    HellkaizerXafnirVeylaine
  • Weekly Loc Discussion: G21 part 2

    There are quite a few mysteries and plot points that I wish was further explored. Like who are the Out worldly deities invading Erinn, is Mother Ladeca the only entity or are there more? Who were the prophets before they started worshiping the Out worldly deities, what made them do this? I feel like most of these questions will be never be answered as Mabi progresses to other story lines.
    Blissfulkill
  • c7 and g22 SPOILERS**********************

    I'm really digging the art for the promos for this. Also stupid sexy Morrighan >.>
    Radiant Dawn