JoeyDee9

Felice wrote: »

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Going to step in here and say you are completely wrong. Elves are just better. It doesn't matter if I can 80k crit mag on a human (Kinda low honestly) when I can't keep popping mags like a darn machine gun.

Elves get vision, Final shot (honestly a great skill, maybe could use 10 more seconds IDK it's still good), and a crazy friggen low mag CD. My speed as a human can't even compare. It's just too SLOW.

When it first came out I thought it was a little too good. Adv magic (at the time it wasn't int) was honestly overpowered compared to just about everything else. It also gave alchemist a reason to make mana evap stones and sell them. With how powerful magic was, and how slow paced the game still was I never thought it was a BAD system.

As for bringing it back no, hell no. The game has changed so drastically it just doesn't even fit in with the gameplay styles of today. The more fast paced, always weapon switching, blasting things with ridiculously powerful AOE moves. It's a relic of the past that should stay in the past unless the entire game wants to rewrite itself into being the methodological slow paced game of yonder yore.

cacaman13 wrote: »

Bruh Lol I'm not gonna lecture you onto how Alchemy works, higher DPS than an abyss? are you on drugs? the Abyss Cylinder's main purpose IS water cannon.. comparing the tetra to a damage cylinder is something an Amatuer would do an Abyss has a 36% flat water alchemy boost while a Tetra has a flat 30% doesn't go ANY higher than that so to say that tetra would have Alchemy DPS over Abyss when it comes to water cannon is probably the most stupidest thing I've ever heard, even someone who doesn't even do alchemy could figure that out zzz but anyways back to what I originally came for is to help this person with his alchemy and what you would need is a cressida set with at least a water cannon enhancement but could take awhile since pieces are rare to find but to help maximize your water alchemy damage is to also try to get your hands on a professer J 2nd title if you don't have that already and the highest water alch title is Royal Alchemist title being that you should be qualified or if not a Royal Alchemist then you have that set already and for your gloves I mean it wouldn't really increase your damage but make your cloud more efficient I would get cloud range reforge on your gloves.

I don't think you quite understood what I was saying. If you want the highest WC number then yes then Abyss cylinder will give you bigger numbers. Or if you ONLY use WC then it'll be higher. The thing is if you aren't using heat buster your missing out on massive amounts of damage, even with an abyss cylinder it'll add more DPS (damage per second). So yes, a Tetra cylinder does less WC damage than an abyss, but if you are using heat buster every time it's charged the extra fire damage from the tetra gives you more DPS than the abyss in the form of heat buster damage and splash damage.

The only reason I'd suggest not getting a tetra to the OP is if money is an issue. This cylinder will easily cost upward to 80m to craft.

cacaman13 wrote: »

Well as for a stand point, you would want to max out your entire MP slot, DON'T enchant Magical or anything MP based onto your alchemy gear because MP is easy to max out. Once you do that just try to get a good abyss cylinder and do not use the Tetra for damage. It is a ultilty cylinder lol as in its for rain casting,Hydra,Frozen blast and other support alch skills but not for damage but anyways for water cannon reforge wise you wanna roll a water alchemic damage reforge since it is stronger than water cannon max but hey if you roll a dual reforge that's even better.

I don't think you understand how alchemy works. You will have a lower WC max damage output, but you are only losing 18 WC damage and 6% Water alchemy damage. You you gain (vs a demonic abyss) 42% fire alchemy damage. Cylinder efficiency is also better than anything else in terms of the alchemy damage equation. When actively using WC as a main damage source you get one chain cylinder per 10 seconds. That means you can realistically get two 5 Charge Water cannons out in 10 seconds. That not very much when you consider firebolt..

To supplement the lack of damage from water cannon (you should be expecting each 5 charge to one shot a lot of things with refroges), you'll want to be using heat buster a lot. The fact that 5 charge of WC loads up heat buster so quickly should be abused. Chain Cylinder WC + 1 charge WC will fully charge heat buster. To that effect the Tetra will not mitigate damage (no -12%) off of heat buster and instead give you a greatly increased damage.

Style in Hydra, Rain Casting, Wind Blast, Heat Buster, and Water Cannon, and you are also naturally charging up all the elemental orbs instead of using JUST golden time. That way when you can have ele wave buster up as much as possible and the Tetra will give you bonus damage to it.

So yes, the tetra cylinder is not the BEST when it comes to highest WC/Flameburst damage output, but when it comes down to Alchemy DPS using WC a Tetra will actually net you a higher DPS than a demonic abyss.

Collateral is about the only protection you can use. I'd just advise against it unless you know the person.