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What if Nexon sold gold and ducats?

HelsaHelsa
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What if Nexon made a better offer than the botters? Discuss.

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  • ZanathKariashiZanathKariashi
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    edited September 15, 2019
    inflation would end up even more ridiculous than now. And you'd be 1000% mandatory required to pay to afford anything in an average human lifetime.

    Those kinds of things only work when you already don't have in-game mediums of exchange.

    And even then. PLEX/WoW Tokens/ETC don't generate new money, they simply offer a means of getting something of value for a monetary amount but without creating new currency.

    Offering ducats would crash the market on upgrade stones, but the high dollar items are always bought out instantly anyway, so offering ducats wouldn't really help much in that regard, so it's only upgrade stones, which would crash from over supply of basic reds. (blues are already crashed into the toilet).


    Nexon however already does that due to so much of the cash shop being tradable, and Fine/Credne Reforges already being easy methods of making gold if you want to pay for it.

    They could offer potentially offer premium/VIP tokens, but that could be exploited by bot-farmers to get easier access to farming fields, which the whole point of switching them from Free to Paid was to hinder gold-farmers from using them.

    Nexon could lower the NX cost of reforges however, and that WOULD force gold sellers to further drop their prices or offer even more gold for the same price point. Which hurts the monetary efficiency on their end.

    Reforging is horrible even at the best of times so increased supply of tools barely dints their price.
  • GretaGreta
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    No. Just no. Economy is already ruined, we don't need more of this unlimited gold supply.
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  • SebastianSebastian
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    edited September 14, 2019
    They should, alongside a booster that automatically trains every skill to Rank 1 for you and 5 level 300 bone dragons.

    /s
  • Darkpixie99Darkpixie99
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    edited September 14, 2019
    Have you been tuned into the loot box situation? Yeah, gold/ducat sale is not going to fly in the UK in the future.
    As for here in the US, it would likely drive even more players away for whale baiting.
  • BuffalosBuffalos
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    Have you been tuned into the loot box situation? Yeah, gold/ducat sale is not going to fly in the UK in the future.
    As for here in the US, it would likely drive even more players away for whale baiting.
    This wouldn't be a lootbox: you'd be directly buying a currency item for your money. What wouldn't work is the uncontrolled inflation this would bring. They'd have to add a gold->Nx sale, as well as introduce some cash shop item that could work as an 'Nx sink' to pull the insane amount of gold from the economy back into the void. There isn't going to be anything Nexon could create that could act in that manner, and still have a constant draw to players no matter how good their gear is.
  • HelsaHelsa
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    edited September 15, 2019
    For Feedback and Suggestions, one can make one of two types of posts: (1) you call for an actual action. In these cases you place your IGN and server to the post, (2) you only call for discussion of the idea. This is what I've done here. I assumed that this forum was the correct one to make such a discussion and, since a moderator has posted in this thread without moving it, I further assume I was correct.

    Whether Nexon sells gold and ducats or botters do, it will contribute to inflation. Has Nexon been able to stop the botters and gold sellers? Can they not stop them for good? The evidence so far is that no they can't; they're still around. Even though the price of things, in gold, has jumped dramatically the price for gold from the botters has been more-or-less static for ten years now. This means that items cost consumers more real money now as they have to buy more lots of gold to cover it; yet the sellers remain in business. Over time it should reach the point where spending real money and handing it to Nexon will be cheaper than buying lots of gold, but we don't seem to be there yet.

    Unless botting can be halted we are going to have to live with them. There will always be gold sellers, there will always be ad bots in Dunby Square. So, we can have the status quo or Nexon can drive them out of business by out competing with them. In both cases, you still get inflation but in the latter, you have no more add bots and harvesting bots contributing to lag.
  • DanievictriaDanievictria
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    The only way that something like that would even be feasible is if they offered a special bundle that could be purchased once per character that includes 1 million gold, a powerful pet with decent inventory space, 50k Ducats, a large inventory bag, a special outfit, and a second Beginner weapon of the player's choice. That would mean that a player with plenty of real money to burn could end up with 8 million gold (6 free character cards for starting, plus the Elf and Giant assistant cards) right off the bat, which would still contribute to inflation (plus if they get a powerful pet like a Bone Dragon or Ice Dragon at level 200-300, that's definitely kind of cheesing the game if they have, like, 8 of them...), but the other benefits would make the deal more attractive than the botters' offers. Having two Beginner weapons is quite handy for saving gold in the long run (especially if they're expensive to repair items like wands); Ducats can't be traded between players, but 50k will give a big head start in commerce (getting the hand cart right away with plenty to invest in goods is nothing to sneeze at); and in a game where inventory space is always at a premium, a large inventory bag will always be desirable. The botters just wouldn't be able to match the long-term value of the package.

    ...But, yeah, they'll never do it. I mean, the game already has too many pay-to-win elements in it, so people would complain. Western audiences prefer skill/effort-based progression over pay-to-win and pay-to-progress mechanics, and a package like this would probably make more players rage-quit than it would retain.
  • ZanathKariashiZanathKariashi
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    Because it'll never get to that point.

    The only way nexon can stop botters is better NX prices to hurt the botters efficiencies. Adding even more gold to the system is never a fix. You MUST get RID OF IT. Not add more. Or if you can't do that, then you need to tweak the other options for exchange to compete with gold sellers to push them even lower and ruin their efficiency.

    And they aren't even the problem.

    They just have to revert the gold limit changes back. And then remove checks from existence, and just have everything be able to direct bank trade without a minimum limit. And no trade/AH price can be higher than 20 million, i.e. same shop limit as Belvast.

    That is what was keeping prices low, since you can't charge more than someone can physically hold for an item or that your merchant service can handle. The INSTANT AH's went live, the inflation absolutely exploded, because previously 20 mil was the limit. Unless you wanted to hawk your wares manually via trade spam, you weren't selling for more than 20 million.

    That put an effective upper limit on what the market could charge for day to day items and kept prices down relative to income sources. It was only the truly exceptional that sold for more and required more direct negotiations, and those are annoying to set up, so the majority of people will follow the path of least resistance.

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  • KensamaofmariKensamaofmari
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    Helsa wrote: »
    What if Nexon made a better offer than the botters? Discuss.

    Like kinda what the real world is trying to do with ivory? It's an interesting idea to float, but I don't think increasing the money supply will help.

    I think the problem exists because there are so many web shop items that people rely on buying off others in game, and their rarity is creating large demands and inflated pricing.

    If there were more dependable goods and materials that players an invest among themselves and decrease dependence on web shop goods, I think that could help decrease the amount of inflation.

    Whatever is done if done, I don't expect too much drastic change though.

    I think price limits are needed on the market outside auctions.

    But I also think there needs to be a balance where it keeps their revenue sources on the webshop desirable where people will still continue to grow their sales from it.
  • GretaGreta
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    What if Nexon sold old gachas for gold? Imagine this god tier gold sink.
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  • HelsaHelsa
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    Greta wrote: »
    What if Nexon sold old gachas for gold? Imagine this god tier gold sink.

    That is an outstanding idea.
  • KensamaofmariKensamaofmari
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    Oh, what if the game system offered loans instead? Loans offered cheaply to be paid back over time, the bank automatically takes out a set amount plus interest in every pay period if the player does not submit a payment.

    If a player struggles to pay back loans, the bank will issue gathering quests for materials and/or crafting items to pay back those loans.

    The gold can only be borrowed when making a system transaction, NPC, AH, personal shops. Limit the times one can borrow money for a duration period. There is a max times one can borrow, and a min. These can fluctuate based on how responsible the borrower is, kind of like how one's credit works.

    I think this will help with responsible money management, decrease the reliance of buying gold from bots.

    At this time, I don't think penalties for default is desirable, so simply your account will run to 0 gold if you don't pay, and you will have to pay off with a bunch of quests.
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  • HelsaHelsa
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    edited September 16, 2019
    Oh, what if the game system offered loans instead? Loans offered cheaply to be paid back over time, the bank automatically takes out a set amount plus interest in every pay period if the player does not submit a payment.

    If a player struggles to pay back loans, the bank will issue gathering quests for materials and/or crafting items to pay back those loans.

    The gold can only be borrowed when making a system transaction, NPC, AH, personal shops. Limit the times one can borrow money for a duration period. There is a max times one can borrow, and a min. These can fluctuate based on how responsible the borrower is, kind of like how one's credit works.

    I think this will help with responsible money management, decrease the reliance of buying gold from bots.

    At this time, I don't think penalties for default is desirable, so simply your account will run to 0 gold if you don't pay, and you will have to pay off with a bunch of quests.

    It might be too hard to enforce. Perhaps a better model would be a pawn shop. You leave an item and are given gold for it. If you don't pay it back in time then item is destroyed. Only items that are sold in webshop or by NPCs can be pawned, and the amount of gold given is what the item would fetch being sold at an NPC shop.
  • KensamaofmariKensamaofmari
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    Helsa wrote: »
    Oh, what if the game system offered loans instead? Loans offered cheaply to be paid back over time, the bank automatically takes out a set amount plus interest in every pay period if the player does not submit a payment.

    If a player struggles to pay back loans, the bank will issue gathering quests for materials and/or crafting items to pay back those loans.

    The gold can only be borrowed when making a system transaction, NPC, AH, personal shops. Limit the times one can borrow money for a duration period. There is a max times one can borrow, and a min. These can fluctuate based on how responsible the borrower is, kind of like how one's credit works.

    I think this will help with responsible money management, decrease the reliance of buying gold from bots.

    At this time, I don't think penalties for default is desirable, so simply your account will run to 0 gold if you don't pay, and you will have to pay off with a bunch of quests.

    It might be too hard to enforce. Perhaps a better model would be a pawn shop. You leave an item and are given gold for it. If you don't pay it back in time then item is destroyed. Only items that are sold in webshop or by NPCs can be pawned, and the amount of gold given is what the item would fetch being sold at an NPC shop.

    Well, perhaps the quest part may be tougher to do, after all people can run away and never return.
    For pawn shop, I think destruction would be too harsh. Lock it for a month after default to see if they can scramble back the repayment and then auction it off on the daily auction house.
  • Darkpixie99Darkpixie99
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    Buffalos wrote: »
    Have you been tuned into the loot box situation? Yeah, gold/ducat sale is not going to fly in the UK in the future.
    As for here in the US, it would likely drive even more players away for whale baiting.
    This wouldn't be a lootbox: you'd be directly buying a currency item for your money. What wouldn't work is the uncontrolled inflation this would bring. They'd have to add a gold->Nx sale, as well as introduce some cash shop item that could work as an 'Nx sink' to pull the insane amount of gold from the economy back into the void. There isn't going to be anything Nexon could create that could act in that manner, and still have a constant draw to players no matter how good their gear is.

    Microtransactions are under the microscope as well, so yeah. There's that too.
  • CrimsọnCrimsọn
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    edited September 16, 2019
    So this is the thread.

    I just wanna say that this would be terribad lol. Absolutely not, hell no. Nope. This would cause so much freaking harm to the in-game economy and people would just quit. This is NOT a solution to our problems.

    I have wonder something, why do you want something like this? :smirk:
  • HelsaHelsa
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    edited September 17, 2019
    Crims wrote: »
    I have wonder something, why do you want something like this? :smirk:

    OH! That's what the griefer comment was about! You think I'm a hacker! Lovely. I did get banned once, in fact. Years ago, I had created too many accounts in too short a time, so they were locked out for the better part of a year. Had I been aware of the rule I would have made the accounts at a legal pace; my bad. Let's see, what else have a done? I got banned off the previous version of these forums once as well. I had made a game improvement suggestion and didn't include my IGN and server. One of the moderators replied with a tone that I felt was unjustifiably chastising that I had like 24 hours to correct it or my post would be locked; very aggressive, in fact. I replied that if Nexon was so pedantic as to throw away an idea, because an IGN and server were not included in it, to just go ahead and close the thread. I try to log in the next day and I'm locked out, no explanation given BTW. Other than that I've been a good girl. If you think otherwise then you flatter me! :)
  • KensamaofmariKensamaofmari
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    Crims wrote: »
    So this is the thread.

    I just wanna say that this would be terribad lol. Absolutely not, hell no. Nope. This would cause so much freaking harm to the in-game economy and people would just quit. This is NOT a solution to our problems.

    I have wonder something, why do you want something like this? :smirk:

    How about my loan suggestion?
  • CrimsọnCrimsọn
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    Helsa wrote: »
    Crims wrote: »
    I have wonder something, why do you want something like this? :smirk:

    OH! That's what the griefer comment was about! You think I'm a hacker! Lovely. I did get banned once, in fact. Years ago, I had created too many accounts in too short a time, so they were locked out for the better part of a year. Had I been aware of the rule I would have made the accounts at a legal pace; my bad. Let's see, what else have a done? I got banned off the previous version of these forums once as well. I had made a game improvement suggestion and didn't include my IGN and server. One of the moderators replied with a tone that I felt was unjustifiably chastising that I had like 24 hours to correct it or my post would be locked; very aggressive, in fact. I replied that if Nexon was so pedantic as to throw away an idea, because an IGN and server were not included in it, to just go ahead and close the thread. I try to log in the next day and I'm locked out, no explanation given BTW. Other than that I've been a good girl. If you think otherwise then you flatter me! :)

    I do not think you are a hacker. LOL. That was not what I was implying at all. XD

    Thanks for the lols.
  • HelsaHelsa
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    Crims wrote: »
    I do not think you are a hacker. LOL. That was not what I was implying at all. XD

    Thanks for the lols.

    In that case, to answer your question, I direct you to an earlier post in this thread:
    Helsa wrote: »
    For Feedback and Suggestions, one can make one of two types of posts: (1) you call for an actual action. In these cases you place your IGN and server to the post, (2) you only call for discussion of the idea. This is what I've done here. I assumed that this forum was the correct one to make such a discussion and, since a moderator has posted in this thread without moving it, I further assume I was correct.