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I feel like this game is more fair than others.
I mean they could have just made it so you cant trade them at all.
The lesser of two evils is still by nature evil. I could kill just two people and claim I am more moral than Ted Bundy, but that is a completely inane argument to pose. Just because something isn't worse than, does not mean it translates to being "not bad" or "acceptable".
In any case, my issue arises when people need to purchase the gachapon in order to produce said good, which seems like an unstable way to put out said goods, due to interest and rates of drop, as well as the mindset of those purchasing the gachapon.
To which my aforementioned argument is lacking, but I do express discomfort of having to rely on others to put said goods on the market, for some reason. I will have to think of this rationale as to why I feel this way. Perhaps I don't like being wholly dependent on others.
when it was about trying to satisfied costumers for long term investments while using vip/monthly purchases.
But they never update vip for it to be reliant.- so now instead of getting a proper amount of monthly payments they now focus on paying ppl to make 1 digital item they can mulitply (for free) and sell(without costing them revenue) in a way that only 10% of the ppl in the game will actually get it, while 90% of the rest STILL pay for it... but arent getting the item at all.
gold grind is boring.. but thats "playing the game" - working at a job and getting paid money to spend in the game... is also boring... i dont know a lot of ppl who are excited to go to work to make cash just as much as grinding gold in a game, which to the game standards is considered "playing"
plus its considered a FREE MMOPlus whats even more boring then that is only having 1 option of purchase... which is gacha. -gachas are boring-
a gacha is the equivalent of a afk event... we could have more options... but nexon likes to release these two things over n over again
grinding gold to get items from ppl who purchased the gacha- no wonder gold bots have increased so much..
probably be fewer bots if this game wasnt relying on the few who purchase gacha. Im sure a lot would change if they updated or relying on other payments. but i feel the ppl who really suffer is the pay-2-win. seeing how theirs so many "ppl" who sell things cheaply in belvest that help those that try to be good at the game.
but why rely on buyers who benifit when you can rely on reforges and gachas- but thats just a game theoryHint: Game Design is the crux of my problem. A free MMO is something I believe can be subjected to criticisms on its gameplay, even with the presence of a webshop.
I do admit, I play a great deal, and I am likely reaching the end of my player lifespan. Life is going on, and my adulthood beckons more of my time here on Earth.
As much as I hate when they put clothings in gacha, I would take that any day compared to these enchants, OP armors and 2nd titles..
It's the fact that all of it is behind a paywall that makes me so livid. (the op armor) like theres no way to craft them.
I'd like a way to craft them in game PLEASE NEXON. idc if it takes centuries but PLEEEASE. ;-;
Not to mention all the people who think there are no competition in a PvE game.. oh lord.. -_- never been to a raid before or something? example; Some people are always gonna do more damage than you + raid boss limited health = low contribution points for you, more for the omega whales/rich fellas/lucky leprechauns
and before you say im only complaining because im poor, i am 11m/??m for getting me some Languhiris Chaser Armor (F) so ..there. >:L
(is it like 50m in mari? i rlly dont know tbh)
Someone selling their langu for 20m on alexina smh.
Langu is way better than that armor even at low rolls it's like what? 2 or 4 prot lower? Once we get g22 prot/def on armor is going to mean pretty much nothing.
The stats as in defense and protection are not what worry me its the effects like attack speed delay and enchant being put into gach. The main reason I made lang armor was for attack speed. Also that sounds nice I just hope its rewards/drops stay in dungeon and nothing equivalent will be thrown into a cash-shop.
The things she's talking about are skills (kinda...) that come with g22, you rank with ap and you train them by doing certain things. Note that they're not easy to get though, iirc one of them requires soloing alban hard, along with other things just to unlock it.
we got dogma books in gach so people don't have to do grig raids to get subskills so that means little to nothing if anything. Where there is nickel they will dime!
Okay but there's not a single subskill that's actually hard to unlock, and it also doesn't train them for you either. TBH the only one that's "hard" to unlock is the one for shield which requires 4 all clear weeklies. It's not even hard either just time gated.
I beleive mabinogi SHOULD ALWAYS make the line between "FREE" mmo and purchases.
I think so far nexon done a great job making sure nothing pay excess. You dont need to purchase anything to excess content/skills/playing the game.
i dont agree, even if the armor is op and un-accessible by other armors in the game, becuase of what i said above^
gacha/purchases should never pump out anything that exclusive excess or skill excess or trade lock in a way that doesnt deem a "free mmo" becuase you need to pay to unlock content of some sort.
Nexon has done stuff like that... like untradable gacha puppet skins, which was the only way to obtain the item at the time, but later made it tradable.
What does need to get fixed is the lack of urgency and concern of the player base. it stinks if the amount currently of paying users is the equivalent to implementing re-used afk event.
Even purchasing stuff in the game is stressful. only having the one option of gambling limited time payments were 50$+ gets you no decent items... and when that happens they dont have free content to please them after making a bad gamble purchase.
give that market strategy a few rounds and you get quitting sales.
and nexon resolution is "pay to win".
Here's something that's gonna blow your minds...gacha is normal and healthy for a free to play MMO. Remove the stigma that selfish and/or stupid ppl give it, and what you have is a means for anyone new or veteran to have an equal chance at something rare. A "good" MMO gives the veterans and the diligent the ability to grind gold out to trade for said items, creating commerce(no not that kind) between players and forming a steady market based loosely on supply and demand. Gacha is the tried and true method of achieving this while at the same time funding the Free to Play model that so many MMOs operate on.
Now there are exceptions...when something for example is so obscenely OP or trade locked that it just power creeps the meta, thats an issue. Now this armor set looks power creep, but honestly you'd be better suited(get it) investing in a Langu or Bhafel than going for this set for what...3 defense? That's where gacha gets battlenogis, the thirst to have the maximum possible stats is what drives ppl to spend $400 on this gacha, or pay 60-80million for Altam title when the other knights are 3-8mil with only 8 less max attack. And that's okay! Being the best is a good goal, and Mabinogi doesn't trade lock the armor sets so you "can" get it with in game gold. It's less than 20mil on Alexina right now.
What a lot of people are asking for is no gacha not because gacha rewards the rich, but because gacha rewards the hard working. Most people here complaining could've gotten the 20mil in less than a week if they played the game and invested the time and effort into grinding, which is a much better timeframe than some Korean MMOs give. Instead they've been playing a different game and now come back to a shiny new thing while they have no gold, no items to sell, and no motivation to work. Which means...hope you got some cash : )
20 Million Armor for something who ingame craftable counterparts run easily in 80+ million gold? Maybe GTCvActium has a point, actually. I don't think we should be making content so outclassed in this manner. The Armour itself has a 1% movement speed, but the horns possess an attack delay decrease effect.
Though my main issue regarding your post is that your characterization of your opposition is incorrect and lazy; it would be best to avoid painting everyone concerned with the same brush of "People who did not draw what they wanted out of the gachapon". It isn't fair to dismiss everyone, because some people have differing rationales for the same conclusion, be it driven by selfishness or genuine concern.
Langhurises aren't that cheap, yet are subjected to even higher rates of RNG.
This is actually my point, I never said that gachas were bad, just that putting items that are inherently stronger than in-game items are. As I've said before, at best they should've had this be a reskinned RKA armor so that the choice of obtaining this is a stylistic choice rather than being motivated by "It's as good or better than something I'll probably need to spend months building/upgrading". I've even said that a good point in the past was that heavy armors that came out of the gacha used either use base heavy armor stats (6/2), or were a reskin of an armor set already in-game.
You can just farm the gold by doing SMs, Commerce, Raids, and abusing the Auction House.
SMs are a slog grind thats guaranteed to give money at the end of every run.
On top of that you may get drops from your end chests at could be worth a few 100k.
That might not seem like much but in the long run if you get like maybe 100 of these from your daily runs it adds up.
If you have problems selling the items just under cute the market to sell faster.
It doesn't even need to be some huge margin either. Just enough to entice some one to buy it.
Commerce is a great way too make money too.
If you do regular commerce its very slow at first so I recommend buying an alpaca whenever you can.
Doing so will make you be able to carry a lot of product while moving fast and saving you time.
Once you get higher up all you need to do is just Slog grind while avoiding bandits.
Alternatively you can go to Scathach Beach and farm for monster drops.
However they don't drop 24/7 from what I experienced but I could get a decent drop rate from the Sahagins.
After you get you monster drops just grab as many as you can get in one go and go to the place farthest away from you for maximum profit.
Raids are mostly farmed for as drops but give up to 50k gold and around 1mil exp every time you do them.
The 50k gold is a small amount but considering you can do up to 7 raids an hour its a decent gold gain.
Thats 350k from Iria raids and 250k from Avalon raids. On top of being able to get drops from them.
Iria raids tend to be lacking in drops, however they have a chance to drop you High level music buff enchants.
While Avalon raids drop Erg materials you can sell for anywhere from a few 100ks to millions.
Again for quicker sales you can undercut the market to entice people into buying.
Abusing the Auction House.
The auction house has many tool at your disposal.
Such as being able to see how much the last item sold or even viewing how much the items were selling for at a specific day.
You can abuse this by undercutting the current market for the prices that were selling for lower to almost guarantee sales.
And when I say Guarantee sales its because buyers can do the same thing. If they see that you were selling for the price that it sold for a few days ago.
People are gonna buy into it thinking its a deal. Again you don't need to cut your prices in half or anything just enough to entice people into buying.
Anyway this is just few things you can use to get gold in this game.
They may seem tedious and grindy but thats what MMORPGS are supposed to be grindy and lengthy.
Once you get into it might not seem so bad you don't even need to throw all your time into the game either.
You can just do this for a few hours per day and still get results.
Most gachapon sales last for two weeks and the items will still be up for sale when the gacha leaves.
So I feel Nexon gives a fair amount of time for people to gather the money they require for the items they would like.
Even if those items are 40mil+ it just mean you need put more effort into it.