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Thoughts On G21? (Content And Story)
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If you want spoilers
Sure, I don't mind spoilers. I likely won't be able to do the gen for a while, and my curiosity is itching me.
The April Fools' sequence had Talvish dressed like Tarlach from Saga, suggesting betrayal. He (Talvish) was rather smug about it too ("does this make you uncomfortable?" or something to that effect). But the stuff that REALLY had me going was that part I had mentioned to you before, in G21 part 1 with the crystals and how odd it was that they were activated.
I thought about the possibility of Talvish being the Elder, but I also kind of disregarded it. I thought for sure that all of the past memory sequences with the former residents of Avalon was pointing to them doing some kind of ritual death to "become one with the land of Avalon" or something to that effect. It really does seem like all of the residents of Avalon were either dying on purpose or being wiped out because the population wasn't somehow sustainable. Thus, I thought it would have been more likely that the Elder had died with them. And that the Elder's grave was right in front of our noses in that large grave you see in that forest clearing. Then again, in retrospect it does make more sense that the Apostles have been one step ahead all this time, only to be stumped when trying to locate the Elder's body. Hard to find a body if you think you're looking for a corpse when it's right next to you walking and talking.
Were the former Avalon residents part of some death ritual, btw? Or was I just misinterpreting their nonchalance about dying and "joining Aton Cimeni"?
DevCat built up a lot of potential with G19 and 20, and then it all just fell flat on its face with G21.
We won't know! Cus they buzzed off the moment we killed all their monsters in Avalon! Seriously? that was their last attack??? (-___-)
+Talvis being the Elder?
Okay, fine... but he just poofs? His Arc was decent and all, kinda comical with Merlin there. But he wasn't Finale-Boss worthy. That entire fight felt more like a fist-to-cuffs drunken match where in the end, both sides sit down and enjoy another drink.
*Two Birds one stone moment: They Could've had Talvish go take on the otherworldy God while we were fighting off the Waves of mobs- AND drop in the Apostles from this Chapter. So that entire mission felt more like a Boss-Rush as You're defending Erinn on the ground, and Talvish is who-knows-where trying to stop the other God.
+Altam.
UGGGGGGGGHHHH. They built his character up... to end with him being a goof and reciting the Motto. They could've made his part far more impactful if he took ownership of the Sword from Talvish. Saying his will/desire to help us let him pull it free and have it respond to him now, and not Talvish. Not just knock the boy out and leave him on the sideline.
First my stats
I went into this using a pair of crk (r5/r6 nothing on reforges other than wutever I was given with the hammer to unlock them). I've only bought a couple pets and trading partner with NX. I pretty much fund myself playing the game (merch/commerce)
Anyways first boss
Damage Output
500-600 damage per hit
I didn't feel like soul link would be very helpful because the hits were so high my pet would die easily.
Attacks
A very wide swing which is what will be happening most of the time. I think if you can run behind it you can dodge it but the problem is the boss doesn't teleport right on top of you. If you have fleet feet or are an elf you can just outrun it.
Vertical swing which does about same damage.
A slow which I don't think does anything else.
A teleport in good ol grim reaper fashion.
Strategy
What you're supposed to do is just dodge stuff for a while until you get told to break a pillar when it is close. You'll see a small red circle on a pillar indicating which one to go to and hit when it is in it. If you fail then you need to go to another one. If you succeed then it gets stunned and you get told to do it again 2 or 3 times I forget. After that the defenses will be shredded and you can just pound away and tank the hits if you want or dodge them accordingly. Apparently you can cheese this with hydra but I won't go into that because I didn't do it that way.
Problems with the Fight
Getting Tagar within the red circle is a challenge. It is fairly annoying as it doesnt teleport on top of you and the circle is very small. You have to kind of start on one side of the pillar and move to the next as it is teleporting to you in order to get it in there then you hit the pillar before it teleports again or hits you. Every fail is a lot of damage so hope the AI cooperates. Other than that it dies relatively quickly once you go through all the pillar stuff ( the pillar stuff will very likely take the largest portion of time).
Second mission
Really it's very simple. Just move move move until you get to the orb near the portal and smack it. I think then you hit the golem or something and it ends? Nothing much to say here. If you stay in the circles too long ( the duration is very short) you'll get teleported back to where you started.
Third Mission
I believe its just survive if I remember right . The boss can dash all over the place and be annoying but it's just run around and live until time passes.
Fourth Mission /3rd boss
Starting off you'll be face to face with your doppleganger. It's pretty much identical to the shadow mission one where it just loves using alchemy. Shortly after clones spawn to annoy you. Their health is very low but depending on your equips they can actually hurt ( they hit me for around 120 a hit.)
Attacks
The main doppleganger will use wind blast / water cannon I think / and flame burst. None of them do any serious damage. Not sure at what percent but it can also do shadow spirit from demigod transform. Between all the hit stun and knock backs from wind blast / flame burst into shadow spirit , it can be extremely annoying to get hits in.
The clones just use general attacks and aren't all too special from my observation.
Strategy
I used soul link here because the damage wasn't really all that high. I ran off to the side of the area and the main doppel followed with 1 or 2 clones. The clones died super fast which was surprising but they did do a good bit of damage. Once I was situated I just used FH combined with bashes to wittle it down. I just ignored the warning of more clones and such as they felt content to just stand in the middle. The main doppel was incredibly annoying because it would rotate wind blast into flame burst and shadow spirits when it was low.
Complaints
Only thing I can really say is that it has so much hp it's pretty insane. FH brought it down to half but doing the rest before it came back up was pretty slow considering it's attacks had so much hit stun.
Fifth mission
You move so slow but you need to crawl on over to the right or left side and grab the books . There should be 3. Don't worry if altam gets hit once from the judgement blade. Then you crawl on back till you are near Altam. You need to use the books when you see the sword appear from judgement blade. The white words that appear on the screen are too early. Just time every book use and it will be over.
Sixth mission
I'm not sure if the mission was clear in this but you need to take out all the sprites. I ran to my character trapped in ice while ignoring the sprites and it told me that when i started hitting the ice. Thus i had to backtrack. Bash pretty much cleans everything out with charge closing gaps
Seventh mission
Alright so right off it's confusing what to do but you just need to do like 20% or so hp and the next part starts.
Attacks
Area attacks similar to Tagar really
Wide swing and vertical swings for 5-600 . They are dodgeable
An attack that doesnt damage you but disables your crusader skill. I couldn't dodge this no matter what I tried but apparently you can outrange it ( though I remember being really far away and it still happening)
the four judgement blades
four blades crash down one after each other and then a blast occurs that kills you instantly
Lightning rod / Ice spear (only casts in part 2)
He can teleport near you
Strategy
Whittle his hp down as you dodge his attacks. When he does his four judgement blade attack, wait for the 2nd blade to fall before using shield of trust. The red blast is what kills you and doing it too early won't catch it. If you fail you die it's that simple. Once he gets beaten down a bit ( it's a lot of hp) the second part will start. Do whatever you can to situate yourself with the 4 new skills you gained which are activate/deactivate divinity , divine blast which is your main skill , blink which lets you teleport , and nova obliteration which is a nuke. Talvish will now ice spear and randomly fire off lightning rods but I never got hit by the lightning rod and the spear did trivial damage. You need to unload divine blasts and try to cast them when they are maxed out on your little minigame bar to increase stacks ( a bar under you). The more stacks you have, the more damage you deal with nova obliteration. You still have to shield of trust his judgement blade attack so don't forget that. It's just rinse and repeat until he's dead. ezgame
Problems with this fight
This fight is probably the worst offender for me. The hints were so vague. I thought you were just supposed to find a way to defend against the attack which would weaken him in some way. I died 2 -3 times before it finally said use shield of trust and i finally managed to get the timing down on the judgement blade blast. After that I just decided to hit him until part 2 started. It was really confusing to me because the HP was extremely high and my damage barely did anything really. Also the text just kept repeating itself making me feel like I was doing something wrong.
There was another issue and that was the crusader canceling skill. I couldn't find a way to dodge it and the boss really seemed intent on casting judgement blade after it a lot which meant lolnaostone time.
eighth? mission
Lemme tell ya the devs are damn trolls putting 3 bolt skills and defend/windmill up while letting rabbits beat the hell outta ya while you're trying to read the stuff. Anyways if you look at your skills you'll notice you're quite loaded. Just use final hit and be done. DON'T TRY TO CAST SPELLS because the stupid bunnies will just knock you all over ( i guess you could beserk and do it but final hit is just faster).
It's a lotta feedback/words but it's pretty much what I went through doing this stuff. I didn't really find it challenging because I had so many nao stones but I did find some mechanics pretty frustrating. I posted this in another thread but it's probably better here since it's my feedback on the content. I never really have done any raids so i can't contribute here.
Also something regarding the Divinity transform. My camera seems locked to be fairly close. It won't let me zoom out at all which makes it very very annoying during the transform time.
Talvish, by the time the Millitian and G19 rolled around has been through so many trials, battles, and lost so much that he's a very broken individual. His reasoning eventually became that as long as his powers are still active, any actions he takes is still right and supported by Aton. When you make him realize that, it's not the case, he departs to wander the world again, partly as atonement, and partly to regain his purpose.
On the topic of Altam, he's adorable. He's the adorable puppy that will come and defend you no matter how big the thing attacking you is. He deserves more head pats for being such a good puppy.
Also for the Merlin flashback scene, I can only imagine him in a squeaky bender voice: "I did it!, I'm the greatest!"
Basically, as Altam, AC would be appealing to Talvish's heartstrings about one man against a world of monsters, a position that he too has held for so long, but with a different viewpoint
Also, lol this thread is going to be a LOT of spoiler tags before we're done with it. XD
Wish I knew some of those strategies while playing through this. I have to say, G21 was one of the most annoying mainstreams I've done in ages. For me I struggled with the pillars due to timing and lag. The timing is so incredibly fickle with very very little room for error. That mission in particular left me screaming at my screen for hours. The other thing is I don't have any good 1 handers anymore so final hit isn't really an option for me. Used to have good 1handers until a certain incident made me lost most of my gear. Now the only good gear I have is my chains and maybe my dual guns. So I went through most of G21 using gun and chain blade skills.
I wish I also checked my skill window when I was in that bunny mission with Merlin. That was annoying, I ended up just spamming windmill >.> I had thought to check my skill window after wards but didn't want to ruin the flow of my recording.
Another complaint I have is on the golem. It's hitbox was too huge. Everytime I tried to keep moving forward I would accidentally click it and run back to it which would make me stay in the circle too long. Solved it by using the map and clicking on where I wanted to go.
The doppledanger I manage to do in 7 minutes the using chain blade skills + divine link. The other thing you need to be wary of is when the Doppledanger drops below like 40% maybe? The orbs switch to a different strategy where if you don't hit all the orbs in time the doppledanger loads up Shadow Spirit and then uses that which can deal a lot of high damage. However, if you have divine link, your pet will take all the damage from that instead. So if you have a high rank of that subskill that gives your pet instant revivals, your pet can tank that and you can refresh it afterwards. Unfournately mine wasn't high enough for my pet to survive. Divine Link really makes this fight much much easier as it means the doppledanger is focusing all it's attention on the pet and not much on you.
Story wise I think they wrapped that really nicely. The main take away from the story is the Millitean obtaining new powers and Cichol giving up his policy of non interference. I'm guessing that's why G22 is now focusing on Balor and the fomors. Although it's not clear where Talvish sent Cichol to. I don't think he killed him, it sounded like he just drove off Cichol to get him to buzz off so he could use you as his pawn for his plan instead.
When I saw the reveal that Talvish was the elder I was like "Oh you have got to be kidding me" although more colorful language was used. Even so, I still love Talvish and respect him. Mainly cause Talvish was simply misguided and after a brief combat he turned out to be quite reasonable and backed down. So no hard feelings with him.
Altam was also really passionate about saving me and I really love him for that. I actually thought the ending was very fitting and made for a great wrapping up of the entire chapter. Also his food has a really adorable cutscene, but it makes you REALLY REALLY fat. Did not expect to put on so much weight from eating his food
I was amused when Cichol showed up and dealt with the prophets. I'm like oh come on, to think you could have easily and quickly solving things just like that, but then I was reminded why it's better when the gods don't intervene. They have a tendency of being petty and unreasonable, unlike Talvish >.>
Also, I really enjoyed the bits with Treasure Hunter and Merlin, so good to see those 2 goofballs.
All in all I rate the writing and conclusion of this story 10/10. Overall, I felt the conclusion was done quite proper and wrapped things up rather nicely without leaving me feeling disappointed. Unlike the rushed endings of Saga Iria I and Shakespeare which let's face it, were a complete train wreck of story telling.
Combat wise I rate this 5/10, far too many annoying missions with very specific mechanics in it. I fear for what G22 has in store.
God I loved how much of a snarky know it all Llyweyln was. He was quite enjoyable but he still rates 2nd to me. Talvish no matter his faults and errors will always be my #1 fav.
All I know is that it was kinda wonky-looking
And why was his Ego named after our character?