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Do something about alt-abuse
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You can't tell the difference between someone using two computers at the same household or two people using two computers at the same household. So unless Nexon confines one account per household they can only draw the line at multi-clienting, but this is good enough. If someone is willing to buy sixteen computers to play Mabi, well good for them, how many folks can or will do that?
If the price to get the botters is to screw-over all those folks that played within the rules and made mule accounts, then that is profoundly unfair, so I suspect they won't be keen on the burn-them-all solution. The fact is you are allowed to have mule accounts so just go get some of your own; you are allowed you know.
If you want to bring an end to botting report them but don't do it publicly. The botters are diligent so if botting bothers you you have to be as well. It takes time to build up a character to be strong enough to run content independently, It takes seconds to report them. Just keep at it.
1. There are many problems with mules. They're eyesores. They look bad. The rampant amount of mules makes Mabinogi look unprofessional.("Oh look, this game has mules. And it's a lot.") Mulers cares more about their fat*** wallet than helping the community. I can list more.
2. Oh yes. Those dead bots in Tech, Those odd PCs moving weirdly in those dungeons. Those PCs with the same equipment. Those PCs with the same newbie equipment. Those PCs with the Egg on their name. Those PCs with the same name.
Don't reason to me that it's a sleepover, in a library, or just a group of drunk friends bringing their laptops to play Mabinogi. Why the (EFF) are we sleepovering? What are we, rich kids?
3. I suggested that Nexon pull a Valve and restrict newbie accounts until they clear chapters, skill levels, purchased from the Cash Shop, or time restrictions. Not all players has the patience to be running the storyline, so that COULD be used as a restriction from doing dungeon/mission content. I can see it as: 4. Most of these bots are ran by someone who can solo content at will. These guys again, care about their ****ing wallet than helping the community. Oh look, it's a party with 3 mules. And the muler gets the rewards instead of having three legit users. And where does that Misty Red goes to? Oh Him, or the AH.
Again, I compared it as Smuggling/Black Market
In Mabi...
The item is procured by the game, but it's obtained from a drop not from an illegitimate user, or a mule. The Mule gives it to the Main user to sell it in the AH if they dont want to use it. Sure it's dirty, but someone wants to buy it. If it's an event/trade once item, the sales is transferred to the Main account.
In Smuggling/Black market...
The item in question is procured legally or illegally. But without the correct and proper regulations, it gets sneaked in to the country to be described as a legitimate item. Sure, it's dirty, but someone wants to buy it. Some of the sales is transferred to the supplier-ex. Cartels with their drugs.
a bunch of those suggestions feel very.. gatekeep-y, like it'll just scare away new players than anything else
Hence the saying "This is why we can't have nice things".
and kill the game? yeah ok bruv
Yes. Kill the game and have make Mabinogi II: A realm Reborn. A worthy sacrifice to curb Mules and smuggled goods. Probably throw a nerf somewhere.
Serious Answer:
Nexon can do whatever restriction they want. Or get some GMs to patrol the Mule traffic areas and flag and report/temp ban those who mules.
This is true, however... NO, just NO to the idea of choosing outfits for every single alt, even if I did it would likely be all of them in the exact same outfit which wouldn't solve that problem.
I'm just an event farmer so neither of those are related to me but why do you care so much about them? Ever heard about this magical ability we humans have called ignoring?
That will not work. Nexon can raise event requirements like they did last year for the Dragon Master event, however it's only going to make farming slightly more time intensive since we're just going to do Blananid's until we hit those reqs leaving true newbies with nothing.
It sounds more like you're upset about them fattening their wallet rather than any impact they have on the community. Alts are a response to nexon's abysmal drop rates and their tendency to keep the truly good items needed for gear and character upgrades behind a p2w lootbox casino.
Don't be upset with the players when it's the game masters who designed these systems.
I've thought many times about what Nexon could do to kill my business and the only answer that seems like it could work is to actually make these items I'm farming more readily available for players that do need them. Otherwise as long as players exist willing to buy the items I farm I'm just going to find a way around whatever restrictions the put in place.
1. they can't without drastically & adversely effecting innocent people, including some with only one account.
2. them allowing multiple accounts, for over a decade, then taking them away is unjust & unfair (and they know it) and so will cause a lot more than just the people the complainers hate to quit.
If some folks are bored with Mabinogi and just want to burn it to the ground then they can go
If you want to bring an end to botting then report the bots but don't do it publicly. The botters are diligent, so if botting bothers you then you have to be diligent as well. Remember, there's more people that don't like botting than there are botters. Totally, they can be defeated but the folks concerned have to get off their duffs and keep reporting the bots rather than just beaching and getting into fights on social media. It takes time to build up a character to be independent of manual input and, yet, to be strong enough to run worthwhile content; it takes seconds to report them. Just keep at it.
Fighting the symptoms won't cure the disease, until the actual problem is fixed people are going to use mules even if NA tightens the rope on them like KR did recently, and anyone can type wyse 3040 lot into ebay get cheap usb wifi dongles and ask their neighbors for wifi passwords or tether phones.
We can have that talk after they do a multi-clienter ban wave. You and a lot of these players need to realize you aren't entitled to anything. Just because the drop rates are low, doesn't justify people to cheat the system. It may be completely okay to use 8 laptops according to TOS but that's clearly not what's going on here.
Grinding and RNG are typical of mmos from Korea. It's what you sign up for. People complaining about grinding and RNG, begging for pity systems, wanting the game to become FFXIV or Genshin Impact are playing the wrong game.
Yes, there is a problem with the majority of new equipment coming from gacha. Yes, there are too many AFK events. Go make your thread about the gacha and AFK events.
I think (You) are projecting because you're still mad they made ego hailstorm functionally mage fullswing and it's actually useful now because you were still seething about it on the website formerly known as justin tv a decade later. Also I don't see how getting my kraken heart during the millionaire max keys event running with my gf makes me "entitled" to anything lol, I just do runs during events or when guildies ask, I don't have all waking day and night to spend dragging mules through missions.
I don't have to be one of these spooky scary "multi-clienters" you want to strawman me as because I dare point out the real problem that causes people to do it. Game design is my dayjob kid and let me tell you the only reason the drop rates are so low and it's so easy for people to run multiple accounts is the poisonous mindset in this industry that you have to make players into fanatics and "whales" addicted to the "rare drop" and "have the best/most (X)" so they'll buy more "gachapons" and you can inflate the activity numbers to shareholders. It's all about preying on addictive personality disorder just the same as the social media "upvotes" and "likes" system, the truth is with this ideology and monetization system, you as a company want the multibox users because they're the biggest addicts buying the microtransactions and that's what the shareholders want, addicts not players. Unfortunately too many of my peers are happy to give them their addicts, instead of making a good product that does well on it's own merits and has a respectable monetization model that gives the player the dignity of being a human being and not just a wallet that logs in to spend, instead of abusing people with addictive personality disorder.
Based on all of our previous interactions though I do not believe (You) are here to have a good faith discussion on the problem and only want to incite flame wars based on false accusations. Telling me to "go make my thread" is pointless because I'm here yet again pointing out to the people mad about "bots" the actual problem with the game which causes the "bots" they take issue with and that spending their time and effort demanding bans won't fix the problem because the bad design that makes people desire to do it is still there and no matter how restrictive a publisher tries to be people will work around it. They want to see the same changes I'm working to make in the industry but they're only familiar with the symptoms they see ingame and need to understand the actual root cause of it all where they're already paying attention.
Maybe if (You) care about the game and the players though and not just childish flaming and bad faith screaming ban everyone you disagree with while making things up about them because (You) are holding a decade long grudge that keeps you awake at night against them for saying a skill you don't like in a video game should be less bad, (You) will make the thread with understanding of the predatory nature of the game design and monetization model and come up with compassionate solutions that respect the player base and continue to make the service enough of a profit to stay running. Unfortunately I can only increase awareness of the real problems, providing solutions that touch on monetization would violate my non-compete, but that's saying the quiet part out loud.
I can only hope that people who aren't Chrolls and actually care about the game and community understand and take to heart the problems and give their own feedback to the people who need to hear it.
I'm not reading all of that. Why come into a thread and start talking about "Instead of doing ABC, we should do XYZ"? If you actually care go make a thread about it instead of derailing the topic of alt-abuse.
"derailing thread"
-thread title: do something about alt abuse
-reply 'derailing' thread is a way to deal with alt abuse, which is in fact, doing something about it
whar
I am sure that an innocent person with a legitimate account would contact support, and Nexon NA could make some sort of announcement about it before or afterwards with a "if you believe you been falsely banned contact support" message, it seems like this whole talking point is overblown.
He's whining about afk events, rng, and gacha. In other words, he's telling us to blame nexon for the alt-abuse. It's the same nonsense as "they're forcing them to do this to stay competitive." Those are separate issues and he could make a thread about it but it seems like he doesn't want action taken against alt farmers and instead wants the game changed. It doesn't have to be A or B. It can be A and B.
If you want to bring an end to botting then report the bots but don't do it publicly. The botters are diligent, so if botting bothers you then you have to be diligent as well. Remember, there's more people that don't like botting than there are botters. Totally, they can be defeated but the folks concerned have to get off their duffs and keep reporting the bots rather than just beaching and getting into fights on social media. It takes time to build up a character to be independent of manual input and, yet, to be strong enough to run worthwhile content; it takes seconds to report them. Just keep at it.
I definitely don't think "burning it all down" will do us good, and also, there's a such thing as multiple people playing Mabi in the same household for whatever reason. There's nothing wrong with that. Friends, relatives, and couples like to play the same game together, and its a bonus that it's actually free to play. I'd hate for that to be changed or restricted of all things, and it'd be hurting the player-base more than doing it good, while right now, bot users are mostly just an eye-sore. I don't like it either, (though I don't care much about the fact that they might be getting rewards or whatever faster since this is not a competition in my eyes) but if there's nothing that can be done without hurting others other than simply reporting them, then that's just what we should be doing.
I've definitely seen people complaining about them, or people killing all of their alts. A lot of people are upset with it too, and I imagine that players mass reporting it should do the trick. Its a better idea than any other I've seen that just involves hurting everyone else in the process. That, or just block them so you don't have to see it anymore.