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Easier Dan tests

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  • HardmuscleHardmuscle
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    edited February 12, 2018
    Iyasenu wrote: »
    Hardmuscle wrote: »
    Siodhan wrote: »
    Oh yeah. Let me move 100m across the street towards my local library and get 0.0000000000000000000000000001ms less delay towards the US from EU. I feel like a god now.
    Nothing short of upgrading your ISP; moving closer to California (or Nexon adding a closer server) will eliminate your High Ping. (High Ping isn't the only cause of lag, but in your case it's the dominating circumstance). As said at the end of the last drama debacle this topic created; in General; ~ You should focus on trying to get Nexon to create a secondary method for people with High Ping to pass the test (preferably a non-timed solution). ~ Moaning non-stop or blaming it on the game (or trolling me with the nasties) will never fix your High Ping. ~

    There's no sense executing everyone who understands this. ~ Including Nexon.
    Note: I am not against nerfing Dan tests. -- I never said this. -- but you need to consider whether or not we should have this debate every single time Nexon releases some type of content where timing player progress is a factor. Are you going to scream foul every time a clock is involved?

    Per that "non-timed solution" suggestion, what would be thought about... altering the training method count caps?

    Like, currently for Dan 2 -> Dan 3 the training is:
    Pass an exam + 12.50 (0/2)
    Score an S rank or above in an exam + 12.50 (0/2)
    Score an SS rank or above in an exam +25.00 (0/2)
    Participate in the graduating ceremony +1.00 (0/1)

    What about changing it to:
    Pass an exam + 12.50 (0/8)
    Score an S rank or above in an exam + 12.50 (0/4)
    Score an SS rank or above in an exam +25.00 (0/2)
    Participate in the graduating ceremony +1.00 (0/1)

    That way, even lower ranks can eventually allow you to advance to the next Dan rank, just slower than getting SS. (8 days for A ranks only, 4 days for S ranks only, 2 for SS only).
    Then, the only thing to worry about would be to get a passing score.
    It'd get rid of the "pass-fail" situations we currently can get (i.e. Getting A/S ranks on the Dan 2 -> 3 tests), while still rewarding (or at least not punishing) the players who go for the best rank possible.

    That's one possible solution, even if that won't change the tests themselves very much.
    Scoring enough points for an A rank should be a much easier goal for those even with overseas connections, too.
    Even if it would still be a challenge in such a case, it would be doable, with the right tactics.
    Anything fair is a great idea.

  • GiegueGiegue
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    edited February 13, 2018
    ^anything fair is a great idea.
  • SiodhanSiodhan
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    Well, there's so many mmos out there, yet for sooooome reason this always seems to be an issue almost exclusively here. I refuse to go the defeatist route and give up trying to get them to fix their crap. That aside, even the afforementioned idea is a better one than leaving things as they are. Hell, I once posted a complaint about the urgent shot speed requirement making training way faster for people as well, but such basic issues are never actually fixed, even when addressed. That's the core problem.

    Though in this case, rather than just being slow, some of it just downright impossible. Different story altogether.
  • OdinwolfeOdinwolfe
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    edited February 14, 2018
    Human Magnum Shot Dan 2->Dan 3 is the most BS Artificial Difficulty advancement test in the game.
  • HellkaizerHellkaizer
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    I attempted magnum 3 dan test almost 90 times today (only got salty because the gp loss really) but the highest score I got was barely 11k. With all I could do to lower my ping, it still wasn't enough.

    Maybe to keep the gold sink option we could pay 3m to lose out on the badges, but at least get the training part done for the advancement. Or even have an ap cost, say 100 or so, so the option of actually doing it is more efficient but players with high ping aren't prevented from completing it. I also can't do the lightning bolt dan 3 for the same reason.

    Yes yes this is a tired, and beaten topic but I'm just here to let off some steam. Most dan tests do actually test if you know the skill, or combos with it but praying you get crits isn't really skillful IMO.
    OdinwolfeImaizumi
  • HazurahHazurah
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    this thread in a nutshell:
    "Screw the rules! I got Money!
    KagaChakylincourtneyy
  • RaintheswordRainthesword
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    edited March 2, 2018
    So im running the Charging strike dan test to go from Dan 2 -> Dan 3 and need 12000 points. The problem lies in you earn points at a random amount when you land a hit from next to 0 to 100 and maybe 1 200 point hit each attempt of the test, the other way is to kill the enemy with the charging strike. Now lets introduce the enemy, the New gremlin. The genius who though this up needs some mental re-adjusting, the new gremlin basicly pings every 2nd to 3rd hit and will either instant hit you, run out of your range or chase after you because the fighter skill seems to love displacing you so your never where you are on screen. This basicly means the only way to achieve this is either you get all crits and next to no pings or you have some magical power to predict when they will ping and can time counters only for those turns because if you use it for every gremlin you wont have enough time to earn points in the time it takes to load.

    ... why do I need to spend millions of gold for a 1 in a billion chance to get half the requirement for dan 3? nexon why must you make everything rng and not skill?
    ChaosShadow
  • ToonToon
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    edited March 2, 2018
    Get crash shot dan 3, use crash shot to get to bonus wave quicker for the mag test. I have 200ms and I did it. I've done all the relevant tests, they were all quite easy. Mag does indeed become easy if you use crash shot correctly. Also look into using a ping booster if your ping is bad.
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    Not gonna lie, charging strike dan is extremely easy, just like all the others. Your connection seems bad, get a ping booster like WTFast, Mudfish or Pingzapper.
  • GretaGreta
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    edited March 2, 2018
    That biased poll lol.

    EDIT: Never mind, for some reason people started to make Dan threads all of sudden and now they got merged. Thank god i won't need to see biased polls and multiple threads about same thing now.
    Veylaine
  • Gaby5011Gaby5011
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    Wait till you do Healing dan 3. Just end me plsease.
  • IyasenuIyasenu
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    Gaby5011 wrote: »
    Wait till you do Healing dan 3. Just end me plsease.

    If only all those chicks were cheering YOU on, instead of the Gutsy Chick.
    Good luck with that test.
  • HellkaizerHellkaizer
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    Hazurah wrote: »
    this thread in a nutshell:
    "Screw the rules! I got Money!

    seto-kaiba-500x500.png
    Basically. I feel like 3m and 50ap to skip it is fair. I do think I'll be able to get the dan magnum done once I get lower ms (thought it was about 200, it's almost 400) but if I could I'd pay to skip this one.

    Still stand by my point that lightning bolt is impossible at high ping though.
    YangKoeteChaosShadow
  • LadameLadame
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    Jumpin in here to chime in because I love to say this:

    I have 600-2000ms at any given time! Never less than 600ms, even on a good day! I don't do dan tests because they are actually impossible for me! I do however just pretend they don't exist, which makes it not so bad.
    I have come to terms with my internet, I cannot move just to get into better service range, and I am not belittling anyone who has lag but not monster lag! It is just a fun thing to share. :)
  • ChaosShadowChaosShadow
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    Agreed ten times over. Screw all the naysayers or people who refuse to acknowledge how flawed these so-called "tests" are.

    Give us another method of fulfilling the advancement requirements that just punishes our gold wallets harder, but is feasible for those with high ping to do- Anything simpler so I can actually start enjoying the game again... Please...
  • MaiaMaia
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    It's too bad we don't really have a lot of say in NA. Even if it was a NX alternative many people would pay.
  • PolicromaPolicroma
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    edited March 3, 2018
    Dan 3 magnum is crazy hard, but doable. I would have hated to do it on a human though. o_O

    I can't ever see them replacing it with just paying gold. It's intended to be a heavy money sink and bragging rights.
  • GiegueGiegue
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    I saw a suggestion that was basically "Let A Ranks and S Ranks count towards training, just significantly less so we have to do more of them."

    Example for Dan 2 -> 3
    -Pass Dan Advancement test with an A (0/50) +0.20
    -Pass Dan Advancement test with an S (0/20) +5.00
    -Pass Dan Advancement test with an SS (0/4) +20.00

    Or something along those lines.
    That'll punish wallets harder but more fairly, and allow people with bad ping a chance to rank their Dans, instead of having to sit out when they Fail-Pass.

    Despite being unable to pass Dan tests due to bad ping, I am fully against "just let us pay our way up" as an alternative.
  • PolicromaPolicroma
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    edited March 4, 2018
    Giegue wrote: »
    That'll punish wallets harder but more fairly, and allow people with bad ping a chance to rank their Dans, instead of having to sit out when they Fail-Pass.

    Honestly even just not allowing the "fail pass" would be helpful. I don't care what people say about "two little clicks", I ended getting delayed on the Dan 3 magnum test a bunch of times due to just being a mere 10 or 20 points off. :P
  • TheNyanCatTheNyanCat
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    Policroma wrote: »
    Dan 3 magnum is crazy hard, but doable. I would have hated to do it on a human though. o_O

    I can't ever see them replacing it with just paying gold. It's intended to be a heavy money sink and bragging rights.

    I'm not sure if getting really lucky with crits and decent ping is worth bragging about.
    IyasenuChaosShadowImaizumi