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Why do people constantly insist that mabi is dying

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  • VeylaineVeylaine
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    edited January 11, 2018
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    Hmm.... People still like to point finger and blame any thing that could cause mabinogi dying. Lately I been not spending much time on mabinogi and not spending much time on mabinogi forum. Just when I came back to check up on thing. I did saw some good update add into the game. Still find the player base or what they do in game. Are still pretty much the same. Old player have less reason to play and have some thing more important to do. New player don't want to do long grinding and also it is boring. Well mabinogi fan will be just fans of the game. I was one those mabinogi fan. Into I throw away my mabinogi fandom feeling. Just to find out.... What it mean to play better game then mabinogi. If you one of those user been playing mabinogi more then 3 to 6 years now. Of course you will be bored. The...
    I didn't know your forum name was allowed lol
  • CaptmuffinzCaptmuffinz
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    Veylaine wrote: »
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    Hmm.... People still like to point finger and blame any thing that could cause mabinogi dying. Lately I been not spending much time on mabinogi and not spending much time on mabinogi forum. Just when I came back to check up on thing. I did saw some good update add into the game. Still find the player base or what they do in game. Are still pretty much the same. Old player have less reason to play and have some thing more important to do. New player don't want to do long grinding and also it is boring. Well mabinogi fan will be just fans of the game. I was one those mabinogi fan. Into I throw away my mabinogi fandom feeling. Just to find out.... What it mean to play better game then mabinogi. If you one of those user been playing mabinogi more then 3 to 6 years now. Of course you will be bored. The...
    I didn't know your forum name was allowed lol

    I been having this name more then a 3 year now. My avatar suppose to be a mushroom in mabinogi original old forum.
    VeylaineSherri
  • OpalthiraOpalthira
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    watercat0 wrote: »
    Opalthira wrote: »
    Since the chain blade update there have been time where the game literally tells me im not allowed to enter ch1.
    Also for the past like three weeks I can rarely finding any shop spaces that are open.

    The game is totally dead.

    bots dont count

    Except for theres was only one bot shop and it was empty.
  • Pip-BoyPip-Boy
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    Opalthira wrote: »
    Since the chain blade update there have been time where the game literally tells me im not allowed to enter ch1.
    Also for the past like three weeks I can rarely finding any shop spaces that are open.

    The game is totally dead.

    What's the actual server capacity like though? Doesn't make sense to run more servers than is needed on average so in low population games you'll often see channels reaching capacity during events because the server capacity was low to begin with.

    There aren't that many spots Belvast so it's not that difficult to fill up at all especially during the holidays.
  • TrythisTrythis
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    edited January 11, 2018
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    Hardmuscle wrote: »
    If we throw everyone together from all four servers into one server, ...everyone will be crying about lag and not being able to log in (because the server is full), on the forum. People will piss and moan because Ancients are impossible to find without having .."at least 28 channels like we have now"... ~ You know it. ~ We all know it. ~ Nexon knows it. ~ ! ! ~ Some people want the game to die (I certainly don't) ..., they also want you and me to die and their family to die and their neighbors to die, because they have serious issues and don't belong unsupervised. :trollface:

    Hardmuscle
  • Pip-BoyPip-Boy
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    Trythis wrote: »
    @Pip-Boy
    Hardmuscle wrote: »
    If we throw everyone together from all four servers into one server, ...everyone will be crying about lag and not being able to log in (because the server is full), on the forum. People will piss and moan because Ancients are impossible to find without having .."at least 28 channels like we have now"... ~ You know it. ~ We all know it. ~ Nexon knows it. ~ ! ! ~ Some people want the game to die (I certainly don't) ..., they also want you and me to die and their family to die and their neighbors to die, because they have serious issues and don't belong unsupervised. :trollface:

    That doesn't answer the question at all.
  • TrythisTrythis
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    edited January 11, 2018
    @Pip-Boy the actual servers capacity I have no idea, but its for the doesnt make sense to have this many servers bit
    Granted rurai and tarlach are kind of small compared to the other two
  • Pip-BoyPip-Boy
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    edited January 11, 2018
    Trythis wrote: »
    @Pip-Boy the actual servers capacity I have no idea, but its for the doesnt make sense to have this many servers bit

    Servers=/=channels. Channels is how a developer divvies up their servers. The issue with Belvast is a spacial issue rather than one with server capacity. Adding more channels or increasing server capacity would not help since people would go to the highest traffic channel for convenience. Nexon would need to add more shop spaces to fix the issue.
  • TrythisTrythis
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    edited January 11, 2018
    @Pip-Boy then you have address the servers individually, theres a difference but I think alexina is fine
    Long story short though we cant give you answers because we arent the ones with the numbers so we can probably just speculate.
  • Pip-BoyPip-Boy
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    Trythis wrote: »
    @Pip-Boy then you have address the servers individually, theres a difference but I think alexina is fine

    Still doesn't answer the question as to the capacity of each server.
  • HardmuscleHardmuscle
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    @Pip-Boy ~ If each server has one channel capable of reaching Full (in the red; no one can log into it); this means we would have at least 4 channels capable of going into the red if all 4 servers were merged together into one (no matter how many channels they assigned to it) .. and this would be very bad .. in terms of -- lag .. server stress ... and memory management ..

  • TrythisTrythis
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    @Pip-Boy but if it is about each individual servers capacity then chs do matter
  • UnisexUnisex
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    Scarly wrote: »
    That's true, but even if Mabi is a desert, that doesn't mean that it's inhospitable. Lots of plants and animals thrive in deserts and other similar environments. In fact, for some of them, only places like a desert can be home. :0

    Also, if anyone replies to this and says anything like this - "aww, cute little newbie filled with optimism. I'm a hardened player with one million hours logged and I eat the chest hair of my enemies for breakfast... Blah blah... Give it time... Blah blah... Chest hair for breakfast with no milk" - if anyone says that, then I'll never forgive you. Haha, if you're still logging in then you're evidence that the game isn't dead, so there. :0

    I dont think the game is "dead", in the literal sense, but judging a servers population by a few hot weeks, isnt being realistic. But I dont know why Im saying this to you, youre just a cute little newbie, trying to be optimistic. ' v'
  • VeylaineVeylaine
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    edited January 11, 2018
    @Unisex theres a whole a lot to be debated about here, but besides the main topic yes they did assume someone would call them that but you're not helping the stereotype of higher leveled players being cheeky and/or condescending like you just did by responding like that.

    Hardmuscle
  • HardmuscleHardmuscle
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    edited January 11, 2018
    Unisex wrote: »
    Scarly wrote: »
    That's true, but even if Mabi is a desert, that doesn't mean that it's inhospitable. Lots of plants and animals thrive in deserts and other similar environments. In fact, for some of them, only places like a desert can be home. :0

    Also, if anyone replies to this and says anything like this - "aww, cute little newbie filled with optimism. I'm a hardened player with one million hours logged and I eat the chest hair of my enemies for breakfast... Blah blah... Give it time... Blah blah... Chest hair for breakfast with no milk" - if anyone says that, then I'll never forgive you. Haha, if you're still logging in then you're evidence that the game isn't dead, so there. :0

    I dont think the game is "dead", in the literal sense, but judging a servers population by a few hot weeks, isnt being realistic. But I dont know why Im saying this to you, youre just a cute little newbie, trying to be optimistic. ' v'
    @Unisex ~ I think what they said was very realistic and well put. The perspective of a new player shouldn't be torn by the dreams of a used up veteran, .. and I say that as a veteran among veterans. ~ You can't (or rather you shouldn't) judge the future of the game on its past. ~ It's not as though we know when life as we know it will be over. :sleeping:

  • UnisexUnisex
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    Veylaine wrote: »
    @Unisex theres a whole a lot to be debated about here, but besides the main topic yes they did assume someone would call them that but you're not helping the stereotype of higher leveled players being cheeky like you just did by responding like that.

    I think its pretty obvious I wasnt serious. I dont even know what their level is, and I doubt anyone knows mine.
    Hardmuscle wrote: »


    @Unisex ~ I think what they said was very realistic and well put. The perspective of a new player shouldn't be torn by the dreams of a used up veteran, .. and I say that as a veteran among veterans. ~ You can't (or rather you shouldn't) judge the future of the game on its past. ~ It's not as though we know when life as we know it will be over. :smirk: Don't Click Here! :trollface:

    Im not saying the game has to be compared to its population back in 09'. But again 3weeks of a server looking more alive isnt exactly something to brag about, no matter how much you love the game. On Tarlach, I saw Ch1 busy. A very pleasing thing to see. But Im not going to pretend thats a sign the population is on par with Alexina because of it. Ive said countless times on the old forums new people will have a blast with this game, and how I keep going back to it. Still doesnt change the fact, not comparing it to ANYTHING else, the population feels sparse at best.
  • TNinjaTNinja
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    Veylaine wrote: »
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    Hmm.... People still like to point finger and blame any thing that could cause mabinogi dying. Lately I been not spending much time on mabinogi and not spending much time on mabinogi forum. Just when I came back to check up on thing. I did saw some good update add into the game. Still find the player base or what they do in game. Are still pretty much the same. Old player have less reason to play and have some thing more important to do. New player don't want to do long grinding and also it is boring. Well mabinogi fan will be just fans of the game. I was one those mabinogi fan. Into I throw away my mabinogi fandom feeling. Just to find out.... What it mean to play better game then mabinogi. If you one of those user been playing mabinogi more then 3 to 6 years now. Of course you will be bored. The...
    I didn't know your forum name was allowed lol

    I been having this name more then a 3 year now. My avatar suppose to be a mushroom in mabinogi original old forum.

    Fun pointer.

    The name is allowed, but the forum has a filter, so when you quote his name, the name is hidden from the quote.
    HardmuscleVeylaineSherri
  • VeylaineVeylaine
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    edited January 11, 2018
    @Unisex I know it wasn't serious, but no matter the intent we don't know how others especially newer players would think when they see that some will get it some won,t, I'm speaking from personal experience so take it with a grain of salt, but I had quite of new players be unwilling to ask for help because of the stigma from statements like that. Sorry about the tone policing, its just a personal pet peeve of mine when I see elist tendencies even if they're jokes.
    Unisex
  • HardmuscleHardmuscle
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    edited January 11, 2018
    I remember them from the old forum. Always wondered why they allowed it.

  • Pip-BoyPip-Boy
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    Trythis wrote: »
    @Pip-Boy but if it is about each individual servers capacity then chs do matter

    I never said they didn't. A channel's capacity is basically the server's divvied up in some way. Since people are going on about population and going off of channel fullness we need to have those numbers.
    Hardmuscle wrote: »
    @Pip-Boy ~ If each server has one channel capable of reaching Full (in the red; no one can log into it); this means we would have at least 4 channels capable of going into the red if all 4 servers were merged together into one (no matter how many channels they assigned to it) .. and this would be very bad .. in terms of -- lag .. server stress ... and memory management ..

    If we followed this train of logic then games with enormous playerbases like WoW would not be able to exist at all. Nexon could get better servers add more channels and implement features like an in-game trading board so that people won't crowd a single channel with party advertisements. It's not uncommon for games that pass their honeymoon period or even games that start dying to do merges, in fact it's one of the things that prevent the latter games from dying off completely. The reason mabi doesn't definitely isn't because it's thriving given it's age and the state of 2/4 of its four channels, but because NA never implemented the features needed, the cost of server infrastructure and, depending on how character data is stored, whatever labor is needed in transferring character.

    NA mabi and all of the content past present and future has been financed by its more popular Japanese and Korean cousins, which might I add have more channels per server and features like Auction Hall to help alleviate trade issues. Content is being brought over because the cost of localization and running the game is less than what the game is making. Often times companies will hold onto properties even when margins are slim because they'd otherwise lose a marketshare and I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case with NA Mabi.
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