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Netherlands Trade Limitations Update
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As a means to prevent "gambling" by minors, or otherwise, via gachapon, you're right, this makes no sense. Perhaps then this has to do with real money changing and the prevention of it. Since all these actions prevent ANY in-game commerce by Dutch players. On a side note, ironically, the very nation that invented worldwide commerce is banned from doing that very thing. If this is the case then ALL on-line games where this kind of thing could happen, including those games without the "gambling" element, should have all in-game commerce curtailed for Dutch players. Can anyone confirm this?
I suggest just dropping this game. It's already barely alive, literally alive because of people who can't let go of this game for years.
Well because even if we spent our own money on stuff in this game or any of Nexon's games...ToS dictates that we essentially do not own anything in-game. This is why if they shut down the game tomorrow - they don't have to owe us anything.
Just so we're clear, I don't condone or approve any of these business practices or how Nexon operates. I am just telling you how it is. They are completely blunt and overdone, all for the sake of covering their own asses. A good majority of this execution was unnecessary.
Please submit a ticket and see if an admin can return your items to you at the very least. Also tell them who that item belongs to so they can send it back to them for you. I'm sure someone will help you. If not...please let us know because I will blast that.
For all you folks that have moved from the Netherlands.
I'm guessing it is because your account is still registered as being in the Netherlands. I see two possible ways around this:
1) I think Nexon would rather not lose players but would rather not get in hot water more. So, if you can play the game in a way that gives Nexon plausible deniability vis-a-vis the authorities then they'll look the other way. So:
a) contact support and tell them that you have moved out of the Netherlands and are no longer subject to the limitations and want your account location field to reflect your new address.
b) including the action of (a) do this all from a VPN server located, say, in the UK, or US. Make sure to ALWAYS use that VPN after this. If you forget, even once, then Nexon is vulnerable and will have to shut you down.
2) Abandon your account, and make a new one. Do this from a VPN server located, say, in the UK, or US. Make sure to ALWAYS use that VPN after this. If you forget, even once, then Nexon is vulnerable and will have to shut you down.
Oh ok derp. They just need to contact customer service and show them their US documents and proof of residence.
Doubtful, after all none of us had to. When we made our accounts, the website detected our location via the IP address.
TRADING items and goods is LITERALLY how the world runs!!!!!.. Isn't banning Gacha purchases enough? That is actually "REAL money" spent by REAL people in a "lottery" made by the company. But ya'll didnt ban Reforge purchases - which is gamling for giga lines?? 8D
And Nexon, you're literally making the GOLD in-game, WORTHLESS for them.
I agree with Helsa and yall. I'm upset and feel pain for my friendss! They don't even want to 'play' anymore cuz its ..now supeerrr hard to advance without being able to trade!...
and HOLD ON -...YOu LOCKED THE MAIL?..where the CROM BAS STORY LINE STARTS??!!!... HUUUHH??
Seriously, like Nexon, how long/who did you use to write these decisions up? Including this one:
"Entering Uladh/Iria Dungeons using Item Drops, or touching the statue
If you are in a party as a party member, you can enter the dungeon with other players when they enter.
You can enter a dungeon if you use a Unlimited Dungeon Pass."
If you're STILL gonna let them RUN dungeons..........What is nexon worried they're gonna drop at the alter?? PERS KNUCKS to enter? Also gonna point out, if theyre so worried, they better worry too about END CHESTs mat drops rates! Is that STILL "gambling" So............................ Sadly. Looks like Nexon may have to remove Mabinogi entirely if they start nitpicking??? Or just well..ban all dungeon runs too?? But then...how to get mats? Cant even trade.. ..ok ..so System shut down. So stupid. OR.
Just guarentee every thing 100% in Mabi haha. No more %'s for whatever drops / items
Like a total government ownership. Hm.............. Food for thought????
Does Nexon even read these?? You can still change things you know, Nexon!!!!
I can gaurantee you that they do and maybe if we continue to voice our opinions on this matter they can make some positive changes. I even linked to a thread https://forums.mabinogi.nexon.net/discussion/23230/please-let-ukrainians-play/p1 that proves we can accomplish a positive outcome. One that is more ideal than this.
"Sal cannot use all forms of trade-related systems as per the law in Netherlands"
So, how do I retrieve my items that I put on Auction House, and where are even trashcans in this game?
Guess it's time to look for VPN solutions...
Edit: Heard on Mabinogi Discord that VPN solutions don't even work.
Had to make an account with different billing method before this update and trade my items to new account. I'm too late and screwed now.
Truly unplayable.
Quitting until further notice. Sad that it had to be this way.
Also, Lootboxes ban does not equal any type of trade.
Sigh...
I will also say this for everyone outside of the US...your accounts are at risk. There's nothing FUD about that statement. One by one another country follows suit. I said this before and I will keep saying it, been saying it for years now. This could eventually impact you as more and more countries outside of the US pass their laws in the coming years. It's not a matter of if, it is a matter of when.
Good example: Brazil is next. They are in the process of banning them. That was reported back in April of this year. Their "children's association" has filed a lawsuit and an inquiry has been launched to Brazil's government. What that means is; they are determining whether or not that stuff like this constitutes gambling - which is illegal in that country and they are threatening to fine companies 700k a day if they conclude it is gambling. Which they probably will because it most definitely is, lets not kid ourselves Nexon. It's money not going into Brazil government's pockets so it will more than likely be deemed illegal. That's gonna hurt the gaming industry really bad because Brazil is a huge part of the gaming community. I foresee a slew of "restructuring" happening again because gaming companies including Nexon REFUSE to change their business models. Rip.
We can aptly conclude this is their fault and you guys have every right to be angry at them about it. They had all the time in the world to change their ways. Crippling the game beyond playability was not the correct solution, far from it. Their solution was to prevent financial damages from other countries and to also make you quit in order to solve that problem. Hell, it's probably is helping the $ervers too.
The US is not entirely safe either. There have been attempts in legislation, thankfully those faded away and not much came of it. But with inflation, economy in shambles, the US government is hungry for money and they keep ever raising the debt ceiling. They will eventually come after companies that are deflecting funds away from where they want them to go. If Nexon loses the ability to sell us gambling products, we'll be right there with you soon.
Prepare yourselves.
To me it just feels like you're not putting in the same effort for mabinogi as for maplestory because mabinogi has way less dutch players compared to the rest, and maplestory has a lot of dutch players. So you'd lose way less money wise. I get that you're a company and making money is the goal, but this is just unethical.
There is literally no Dutch law that restricts us from trading in game items with in game currency. The law is to prevent kids from spending tons of money on gamble/chance items like gachapons and getting addicted to that/spending tons of money. We are still allowed to buy those items with in game currency from other players.
Please explain to me how this decision was made while the law is literally not as strict as you make it to be. Just blocking gachapons was literally enough. Or putting up age restrictions.
I've played this game for many years. I started in Europe and had to start all over in NA when you closed Europe and chose not to transfer our chars and only give a small compensation (less then half the money we spend on the game we got in nx to spend in NA).
Now you chose to screw the dutch players over again, give us a few hours notice, and not even give any kind of compensation.
These restrictions are nowhere near necessary and I please ask of you to consult experts and look over the restrictions again and change them. Me and all the other Dutch players are now just forced to play a extreme hardcore version of the game which is just no fun anymore.
To me it just feels like you're not putting in the same effort for mabinogi as for maplestory because mabinogi has way less dutch players compared to the rest, and maplestory has a lot of dutch players. So you'd lose way less money wise. I get that you're a company and making money is the goal, but this is just unethical.
There is literally no Dutch law that restricts us from trading in game items with in game currency. The law is to prevent kids from spending tons of money on gamble/chance items like gachapons and getting addicted to that/spending tons of money. We are still allowed to buy those items with in game currency from other players.
Please explain to me how this decision was made while the law is literally not as strict as you make it to be. Just blocking gachapons was literally enough. Or putting up age restrictions.
I've played this game for many years. I started in Europe and had to start all over in NA when you closed Europe and chose not to transfer our chars and only give a small compensation (less then half the money we spend on the game we got in nx to spend in NA).
Now you chose to screw the dutch players over again, give us a few hours notice, and not even give any kind of compensation.
These restrictions are nowhere near necessary and I please ask of you to consult experts and look over the restrictions again and change them. Me and all the other Dutch players are now just forced to play a extreme hardcore version of the game which is just no fun anymore.
Which law says we aren't allowed to do that??
Thank you for making this game a solo extreme hard mode game. For no reason at all.
Considering that every country on earth is literally a corporation, simply buying out that country may have been a better idea, but, then again, they are all probably already owned by The Crown and other behind-the-scenes major world-players (Vanguard & BlackRock apparently owning literally almost every major corporation on earth, even bigger than Alphabet Inc, which owns Google & a number of other related entities).
I don't know what kinds of «puppets» have been «installed» into the Netherlands government, but, obviously, they are not very sane... I have plenty of research/evidence pointing to benign-education being a far better and more-effective means of correcting and solving social-problems rather than imposing a whole bunches of harsh/complicated restrictions/punishments on any particular activity which isn't necessarily causing/inflicting any amount of injury/harm/suffering/damage upon others (person or property or otherwise).
Also, as I see it, Erinn (the name of the universe said to exist in Mabinogi), is a whole entire other world, I mean, just imagine, what kind of lunacy that the inhabitants of Mars/Jupiter would look at you as when some earthly government-body starts trying to dictate how anybody coming out of some earthly land-mass starts trying to dictate to the population of Jupiter/Mars as to whether or not these earthlings are even allowed to do anything related to their planets.
FURTHERMORE, I know enough about «Law» that, I can already see and automatically tell you that ALL of these «governments» and governmental-agencies/entities are engaged in and involved in FRAUD (particularly as it relates to the Cestui Que Trust system), but, rather than get all «complicated» and confuse everyone, I will provide a more simple example of «jurisdiction» fraud...
Spoiler-Content : Jurisdictional-Fraud Example & ...stuff
Wait, wait, now, hold up here, first of all, WHAT was the «basis» for «claiming jurisdiction» over you in the FIRST place by the STATE ? Because you were/are «located» within (or physically upon the land-mass) of the STATE ? Yet, here we now have a claim that the FEDERAL Statutes (referring to the United States), some-how do NOT Apply ? Are you SERIOUSLY trying to tell me that, DESPITE being «physically located» in the United States (or what people typically think is in terms of the land-mass), that this «United States» so-called «laws» do NOT Apply ? So, explain to me then, HOW in the world, can I SIMULTANEOUSLY be «located within a State» and yet NOT located within the «United States» ? (Don't bother giving me a complicated response; I already know the answer, and, that is because these are CORPORATE-Entities, typically run for-profit via a prison-industrial-complex, which is a HUGE FRAUD [just like the BAR-Association which is essentially the entity that largely instigated this world-wide criminal-enterprise MARTIAL-LAW system globally])
Anyway, I provide this example to illustrate a POINT, that being, the «claim of jurisdiction» over you for your physical-location is NOT based on any valid contractual-law, but, has been done through DECEIT, FRAUD, COERCION, and, THREATS. Each and every Country, err, I mean Corporation, I mean Country, oh, wait, all Countries are Corporations, has, for the most-part, very similar rules/regulations/Constitutions, only slightly differently worded sections, but, for the most part, for example, all U.S. States have their own Constitutions, all of which read almost the same way with the same kinds of sections and slight different variations on how each section is named/labeled, then there is the U.S. Constitution which can also be read along-side the Australian-Constitution, also showing their various similarities (not that the Australian-government currently acts in any manner that could even remotely be considered constitutional), and, should be very similar across every country on earth since ALL essentially follow a format/protocol that is under the Umbrella of UNIDROIT.
Nexon may have started out wonderfully (maybe, or at least had made some seriously good/great decisions in the past in the middle of back when its reputation was less authoritarian-like), but, I was most-certainly disappointed to see them bow down to the threats and coercions of imposing state «tax» into on-line transactions, where-as even the very Messiah himself chooses (or at least chose to back when he was still actively reaching out to the world-scene) to simply tell those taxing extortionists to essentially «get lost»
But, truthfully, I don't care any more... sometimes I think I should just LET people «suffer» and, personally experience for themselves, that, even IF you follow EVERYTHING that any «taxing government» tells you to, that the «system» WILL «screw you over» in some way eventually; such as back when I had a PERFECT «Driving Record» and a HIGH Credit-Score and NO Criminal-History (not that anything which went into the records were even criminal since they were all in the categories of failure or refusal to pay since I was NOT going to pay ADDITIONAL money into them or the system after I had ALREADY PAID in order to PROVE that I was «legal» in EVERY way, mind you, which took the FULL amount of my FIRST ENTIRE PAY-CHEQUE, THEN what happened ? So, after I had PROVEN that I am ALL «Legal» to «Operate» here and there, I am told, well, instead of being made to pay the 700$US fine, I would just have to pay a 350$US Fine instead; like WHAT THE ****, ARE YOU ****ING SERIOUS!? I am NOT going to «pay» into EXTORTIONISTS who FORCE me to «choose» between whether I have enough $$$ to put Fuel into my Car to be able to AFFORD to even GET to «work» AND being able to «feed» myself, amongst NUMEROUS other reasons for which ANY «reasonable» people would have simply told me to continue working hard and wished me luck with my success, NOT engage in the EXTORTION which is the «taxing» state/government-system), and, the first «court-case» I went through was FULL of FRAUD, considering that I gave that Public-PRETENDER MORE than enough evidence/information/reasons to EASILY have been able to get the case dismissed, BUT, he made NO EFFORT WHAT-SO-EVER to provide any «Defense» over the EXTORTIONIST charges that were being imposed upon me because of EXTREME LIFE-CIRCUMSTANCES back then (let's put it this way : NONE of you will have ANY IDEA what I had to go through unless you have experienced literally what it is like to live in the manner of a HARD-WORKING homeless-orphan with ONLY a cheap car for shelter, and, to KEEP THIS UP for at least few years in a row), where I worked my off to get back onto my feet (once again due to life-circumstances), but, NOOOOOOOO, you can't even have ONE ****ing DAY to try to get your **** straight without some ***hole cop pulling you over and writing tickets (like as IF I had the «time» to deal with that crap, considering that I was BUSY with 80+ hour work-weeks, whilst living in a car during BLIZZARD freaking conditions).
Ironically, I learned about VanGuard and BlackRock, literally from women from the Netherlands who put together the information which answered the question as to who owns all of the Media-Companies around the world and as to why they always seem to pump out the exact same information world-wide, simultaneously, regardless of language/country; it's apparently because the «news» that they air is due to some sort of top-down-level decision-making which originates all the way up to VanGuard/BlackRock. DO you people ENJOY living and running a RAT-RACE ? «Even if you win the race; you're still a rat.» -Lily Tomlin