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Multi-clienters ruining/abusing events
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But not everyone who plays Nexon NA is in America. We have our friends in Europe and Oceania. Would they have different rules for these players?
I wasn't saying that they don't have cell phones, but are there legal ramifications for a company officially collecting foreign cell phone numbers?
This question pretty much explains why am I bringing this up - I am asking how its done/is it even possible, instead of just explaining it by "botting and modding" because even with botting and modding, it just seems impossible.
Even if you have every prop either disabled or minimized having 5~10 mabi open will destroy computer. Why would anyone risk their good computer(crappy/cheap computers can't multiclient, I have old laptop and it struggles with just having 1 mabi open) to have a chance to win a virtual wing that probably costs 200~300m in game- which is nothing compared to a good computer.
+ For SIN number and phone verification ideas
The cost and effort to implement this, the risk of having it hacked just makes it not worth it. Additionally, people always find ways around it (use of family/friends phone/SIN number, fake phone number, impersonating others SIN number) so its not guaranteed that it will work.
Also....
This is how KSIN numbers are on sale for 60 cents each on Chinese websitesI also should add that some people have a -thing- for ruining stuff for others. Mabi has a history of people like that.
2nd I think they're talking about even if it was possible what they were arguing against @Opalthira was that even if it was possible to stack over 100 instances of mabi into one PC that the task of keeping head count and track of the rewards wouldnt be an easy task as in it would be time consuming.
I think @Finity was NOT condoning anything that they may be doing, your accusation that they thought it's okay for cheaters because of risk. I think they're just challenging possibility of either being able to have 100+ mabis open on one computer and/or the task of keeping an eye on all of them when things are said and done, nowhere they said it's OK for them to this.
Breif edit: it all started because one person said it was easy to run 100 accs and another person challenged the easiness of that claim
Are they guaranteed that they are going to win the wing? No.
Are they guaranteed that they are going to blow up their computer? Yes.
Would 200~300m get them a new computer? No.
This is very correct
Instead of making everything untradeable and punish people who wanna sell/buy event stuff(cuz not everyone get what they want) or missed event-although most event items are expireable and untradeable already
Instead of requiring SIN verification and put everyone's personal information at risk
Instead of requiring phone number and punish those who don't have phone
Maybe Nexon can sort out players who have 100~200 accounts logged in with single IP and most of them are named eventalt001~200
Idk. Just suggesting.
Everyone here wants a perfect solution that'll affect only the bad people, and that simply won't happen.
They can go thru and ban every account with a "suspicious name", and in the process ban probably hundreds of accounts who just named their free race card characters face rolled characters because they knew they wouldn't play them.
They could watch for multiple clients logging in enmass from single IPs, but then they'll hit family homes with casual players and entirely miss the abusers who are smart enough to change their IPs and run on VPNs.
They can make account creation a lot more strict and require secondary verification, but then you'll have a slew of people rioting on forums for that being unreasonable.
If you seriously want this to stop, you have to remove every single incentive for people to abuse the events with multiple accounts. This could be done with untradable items, but then people would never stop crying on forums. This could be done by making the events have no good rewards, but then people would never stop crying on forums. Or this could be done by making the events actually fair, but that'd require real effort on devCAT's part and let's face it that's not happening.
Also: You'd be surprised by just how wrong that statement is. No matter what server you're on.
Six?
Eight?
Eleven?
Points aside, a registered nurse who dabbles in student-level HTML is not at all going to be running more alts VS. an MSDN troll with process handling experience on the same computer with only 8 gigs of ram and a quad core
Then its gonna limit how many alts that they can use. Since afk events takes fair enough amount of time.
Also they could check which accounts had logged on a single IP, not how many were logged in at certain point of time
Even if they do less than 10 at a time, it does not change fact that they are logging on bunch of accounts on a single ip as a total
I don't like other ideas because they're asking to basically nerf event until they are not worth it or asking for something that's not going to happen.
You're right about no matter what people are going to complain. I'd like botters to be banned. But if Nexon can't do that, I'm fine with how it is now-except for server wide limited prize. When they start to change things around and hurt normal players, there'll be more complaints than there are now.
But launching multiple clients can't be done in the same instance of OS without modifying the client significantly, so those guesses mean nothing. Mayhaps the events shouldn't be structured like this to begin with, where if you want to get a good prize you either need to shell out a bunch of gold or use multiple accounts because the odds of you getting what you want are abysmal due to how low gacha rates are. But since that won't happen, the next best approach is either "nerfing" the event rewards or putting untradable tags on everything to make multiple account use entirely pointless.
Regardless of what they do people are gonna exploit, Unless they become untradeable.
To say otherwise just proves that you have no idea how determined people are in these kinds of games popular or otherwise.
These items can make a single player from broke to end game... to say that they shouldnt be untradeable would be like logging on any other mmo to get full raid from pressing a "claim raid gear set". Its not challenging whats so ever. All you have to is log and afk for 3 hours at a time. Thats 100 rolls every three hours for 10 accounts.
Putting this into account you can get 533 coins per day if you did this for 16 hours. Thats more than single person can get in an entire month let alone one day, and this event was around 30 days long. There were three weeks before the wings show up so if you did this every day you could a wooping 11,200 coins by the time those wings showed. Throw into the account that the servers started early and that the wings were gone before the server "start up time" and you got yourself no prizes for actual players. Not saying anyone did this but putting it in that perspective shows how generally unfair this event was. Literally all you had to do is afk for a weekend and have more coins than someone who farmed fairly for an entire month.
Also who is to say that they don't have multiple pcs? I got three i can use that are more than capable of running a game old as mabi. Hell i ran Tera online with 500mb of ram and it requires 4 gbs of ram.
At this point it just looks you are all making excuses for trying to sell events items when all we want is game breaking items to be untradeable and a fair chance at the items. Nowhere did we say we wanted to nerf the rewards in anyway (and if they did i missed it) cause making things untradeable that are worth 50+mil should have been a thing from the start and removes all the people from farming these events like this.
Ps. Still waiting on that Unexploitable compromise that isnt making things untradeable.
May I ask that we try and keep the 1337 EDG3 out of the conversation, rather than have each group basically amount to circular logic?
I don't want to spend hours picking apart people's arguments, and I think people would like to read that even less.
Anyway, some options I had as an alternative;
Ticking Quiz Bomb equivalent.
Visual puzzle to obtain reward.
Make all functional items of an event require a Master talent from three separate tabs (like combat, life, one other).
Make all functional items expire, and DO NOT include an NX item to end expiration.
Give tiered rewards (rather than a hodgepodge of different items in supposed increase in value).
Until we're in the time period where everyone has electronic identifiers that allows them to interact with the world via unique DNA scanning, have some sort of lock on an account that requires the submission and answer of a unique riddle (don't think that there is anyone willing to come up with 'hundreds' of riddles that haven't every been used before), or use some other sort of intelligence-requiring, unique challenge.
Make the rewards past ultra rare items and flood the streets with them.
Just flood rewards in general, tbh.
Require a forum account with 100+ posts (I realise that this is probably the worst suggestion).
Require referrals from multiple other players to take part/collect better prizes in events. Any accounts that referred an account that got shut down due to being an alt will no longer be able to refer.
Make Mabi mine NX in the background for players; utilize all resources available.
Bloat the computer's RAM requirement (percentile based off of computer specs).
Make the event a combat event.
Make the event auto-kill any player AFK for more than two minutes, that does not have a referral/complete a puzzle.
Make an account require a physical key in the form of a USB, requested by and delivered to an account. Have the key electronically reset if it ever leaves the PC.
In general, make it not worth the time, or make the items very easily accessible, or make them niche.
IDK man, people are arguing if it's unfair or how bad it is or if it matters or how other people's suggestions have holes, but no-one argues for the multi-clienters.